Safariland 25 kit gun holster?

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Can someone tell me if there is a difference between a Safariland model 25 and a 25-1 kit gun holster?
Both are marked kit.
Both are lined.
I’ve been trying to find old Safariland catalogues, without any luck.
Thank you,
Fred
 
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That’s the problem, it’s a discontinued holster.
It would only show up in an old catalogue.
I don’t know when it was discontinued.
Maybe about the time they merged/bought Bianchi.
Thanks for looking.
Fred
 
Here’s a cut from a 1975 catalog showing the model 25 Sportsman holster.
I checked 1976 & ‘81 catalogs and found no reference to a model 25-1. The number 25 refers to the model, it was made for 4”, 6”, 6 1/2” & 8 3/8” revolvers. So that model was made for any number of different revolvers, the model 25-1 might be a difference in the holster itself not relating to fit or size of the revolver.
Regards,
turnerriver
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Turnerriver,
Thank you for posting that add. I didn’t know they went that far back.
They made it for J frame 3” barreled kit guns.
The full underlug didn’t exist back then. I’m going to take a chance on it.
Thanks again,
Fred
 
Turnerriver,
Thank you for posting that add. I didn’t know they went that far back.
They made it for J frame 3” barreled kit guns.
The full underlug didn’t exist back then. I’m going to take a chance on it.
Thanks again,
Fred

OUCH! Then time for a holstory lesson.

The Safariland of old is nearly unrelated to the Safariland of today. The original company was Safari Ltd., incorporated as Safari Land Ltd in 1964 and operated by John Bianchi and Neale Perkins. A disagreement, and Neale continued by 'coming out' as Safariland and because Neale's father was the money man, John was forced to start again; as Bianchi Holsters in '66. Within a few years Neale had switched to his two-piece construction with the sight track inside.

John accidentally hooked up Neale and Bill Rogers when John saw the latter exhibiting at an NRA show in the late '70s. Bill visited Neale's factory and saw that he could use the method that forms wet leather holsters, to form his hot kydex holsters; filed a patent (and fooled us all into thinking there was more to his patent than that obvious method; well done, Bill, quite a con) and licensed Neale. By '83 Safariland was producing under that license, with leather inside and out. Quickly they worked out that veg leather was intolerant of the heats required and they switched the outer layer to Porvair, a synthetic.

The latest news is that Safariland (now the name of the conglomerate that makes mostly body armor; and also owns Bianchi ironically) has dropped the Kydex construction and switched its production to injection molding. Rogers was always a plastics man (his holsters originally marketed under Alpha Plastics) especially injection molding; so all things considered, it took 'em a long time to make the switch.

The leather Safariland's are somehow not very collectible, unlike their Bianchi counterparts that are. I've seen many with the SST disintegrated inside them, for one thing. For another they didn't do any innovating beyond that single invention in the late '60s, in gunleather.

This might be the rarest of them all, though: the version of one of their standard holsters, that was created to suit the Donihoo specification that every maker had at one time or another, including of all people Paris Theodore. The wide-spaced twin stitchlines at the welt is the distinguishing feature of a Donihoo:

1967 safariland donihoo (1).jpg

1967 safariland donihoo (2).jpg
 
Red Nichols,
What surprised me was that it wasn’t in the 76 or 81 catalogs.
I am shocked by the decline of safariland, because I remember them fondly
as a quality company. I was a target shooter back then, not much use for holsters in NRA 2700s.
Thank you for the information.
Fred
Ps that’s a very nice holster. Can you tell me more about donihoo
 
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Sorry, I wasn’t clear. The model 25 was listed in the 3 catalogs I checked, I could find no mention of a model 25-1 in any of them.
Regards,
turnerriver
 
Red Nichols,
What surprised me was that it wasn’t in the 76 or 81 catalogs.
I am shocked by the decline of safariland, because I remember them fondly
as a quality company. I was a target shooter back then, not much use for holsters in NRA 2700s.
Thank you for the information.
Fred
Ps that’s a very nice holster. Can you tell me more about donihoo

You are welcome to be shocked by the decline of Bianchi, too! They don't make a first quality piece of gunleather any more. And those bulky monstrosities that Safariland puts out don't deserve to be called holsters. The decline began with the company's acquisition (twice!) and transformation by one Warren Kanders at which point the company was happy to make stuff that makes money, vs holsters. I call the current operation Wakandiland; that's how little it resembles Neale's original firm.

Donihoo: he made more of a contribution than was realized before the research for Holstory was completed. Turned out was he, not JB, who conceived this holster that is erroneously called a Threepersons for the automatics:

1962 bianchi donihoo.jpg This one is the Bianchi and from JB's earliest period (early '60s) as Protector Brand. It appears that the first one was by his mentor, Wally Wolfram also a Monrovia policeman whose experience dated from just after the War, in NM.

donihoo undated (1).jpg Donihoo the man himself

1963 bianchi donihoo.jpg From an appearance in an early Protector Brand catalog

1969 seventrees donihoo (2).jpg Seventrees actually made their own, and one for Donihoo to sell under his own name.

becknell donihoo (1).jpg The best of the bunch (next to mine, of course, which is horsehide) is this vintage Becknell. Who was also a Texas lawman. Oliver Ball made a version, too, and he was also a Texas lawman.

Donihoo was an ex-G.I. and he joined Dallas P.D. out of the Army and his early newspaper appearances have headlines basically say 'cop shoots fleeing felon' over and over again. My favorite anecdote is that, according to same newspapers, he always knew how far away his target had been; because he would pace off the distance to the body from his pile of spent brass.

He lived 1912 to 1983 and it was in the late 1950s that he began to act as a sort of Johnny Appleseed, as had been done with the Brill before him precisely the year he was born, with his holster design. Lots of men became LEO's out of the military and their pistol, of course, was the 1911. Accomplices of mine including SG-688 and turnerriver have examples from Wolfram, Bianchi, Safari Ltd., Safariland, Seventrees, Ball, and Becknell; and of course from those who followed and/or copied (S&W and Colt were made by Wolfram); so from the entities that picked up after S&W Leathergoods, which was Gould & Goodrich and J.M. Bucheimer.

One reference indicates that Jack became a pariah in his P.D. because of his many kills; as being old-fashioned policing. He is notable for being part of the crime scene investigation (he had become a detective) at the JFK assassination in '63.

His version of what Bianchi called the No. 2, is distinctive because of its two rows of stitching at the welt. There was a purpose to it: unlike the single row with a backtack at the mouth of the welt, the Donihoo's double row provided stiffness to the internal welt (there were up to three, e.g., in a Becknell)(and zero, in a Seventrees). I do the same now that I understand the purpose but JB omitted them and switched from his early use of double welts (done to press on the dust cover for retention) in a strapless holster, to a single row with a safety strap.
 
Couldn't resist slipping in this pic of a slim, young Air Force cop, circa early 1972, wearing a Safariland Model 25 with a USAF issued S&W Model 15.


**Never mind. PhotoBucket is blurring my pics because I won't give them $$$.**
 
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Turnerriver and Red Nichols,
Thank you both for your explanations.
Could Donihoo have been the inspiration for Dirty Harry Callahan?
JayCeeNC, nice photo.

It's plausible! Especially with the WWII mentality where one had to shoot first and ask questions later, on a battlefield. The film Dirty Harry does explore that conflict between getting the baddies off the street but somehow keeping the mayor happy (who employs the police chief, who employs Harry. Or Jack).

When I see the film I'm always quite taken aback at how literally it portrays the city across the bay from S.F., called Oakland where I lived and worked as a uniformed security guard in the late '60s while I studied to be a police officer (gave that up in a hurry!). The Black Panthers, the SLA, Patty Hearst, the Manson murders, the hippies in nearby Berkeley, the Tenderloin District in S.F. itself, the Vietnam draft for all of us teens; that was my living room :-).

Now one of my California senators (which is where I have to vote as an expat), who is running to become president, thinks that the era was actually only about busing. Not even on the radar for me going to high school in the next city over from her at that very moment; bigger things to deal with. I was just happy to be back in USA!
 

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