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Well, I guess the old adage .."a fool and his money are soon parted" applies to me.

I bought a S&W Mdl 28-2 off of Armslist from Joyce Haytt, Normal Ill. posted pics supplied by her as my new to me 28.

One week later and she no longer answers my e-mails and today I get a scam alert from Armslist about the add. the following is pics of the gun advertised.

I will file a police report and report it to the USPS. I hate to admit I have been had......but...... I H A V E B E E N H A D





 
I've purchased exactly 1 firearm off Armslist. And though I did finally receive the firearm in question, for a little while I didn't think I was going to. If I was ever to do it again, I would only buy local off it.
 
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There appears to be no way for that site to police their sellers. I do not buy from Armslist for that reason. Stick with the reputable gun auctioneers and big online gun sites like Gunbroker, GunsAmerica, GunsInternational, etc. There is never an absolute guarantee that there are not crooks on these websites, but they are few and quickly weeded out. Gun auction companies are probably the least likely to promote fraud, since their reputation is on the line with every sale. Juila, Watson, Rock Island, Poulin, etc. offer many auctions per year and lots of S&Ws.

It would be interesting to know how many buyers have had bad experiences dealing with Armslist?
 
Years ago I decided that even though many sellers on Armslist are undoubtedly legitimate, the opportunity for mischief was just too high. I determined never buy a gun from an Armslist offering and never have. I'm sorry for your experience, and I hope that some remedy will emerge for you.
 
Buy local or I'm sure the many dealers on there would be legit.

Often times when I see something to good to be true I copy and paste the first sentence of the ad into google. Many times the same gun is listed on gunbroker, or on other sites. I've noticed the scams seem to be happening less fruequently lately but there still out there.
 
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Devildog72, sorry to hear this happened. I have successfully bought from the big 3 online auctions listed above many times, but would never trust Armslist as too many scams have been perpetrated on that site.

Hopefully you paid with USPS money order. If so, it will be investigated by their postal investors and prosecuted by them.
 
I see scam postings on the Arizona backpage daily. The dead giveaways are

- deal too good to be true (ie. Mint prewar HD for $450)
- non local phone number
- sketchy email address
- google email address and more sketchy ads show up

It's unfortunate that the scammers are out there, but hopefully threads like these saves at least someone's bacon. I also stick to FTF transactions and GunsInternational/Gunbroker too.

SVT28
 
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I have also bought other guns on line with good experiences.
The so called seller and I exchanged many emails with me asking a lot of questions. It all sounded good and we made the deal. I sent an USPS MO and we exchanged more e-mails. She kept giving excuses why she could not send the gun right away... I was loosing my patience and began to get that sick feeling I had been taken......

She quit responding to my e-mails and today I got several scam alerts from Armslist about this seller.

I truly hope this thread can/will help someone else.
 
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Anytime or from any gun sales site if the seller is not an FFL then I will only fork over the money when face to face and can see the gun.
Same thing when I sell a gun. No out of state sales.
Yep there are way to many scammers looking to find someone to swallow the hook, line and sinker. I have been stuck a few times but luckily I was able to get back in the boat.
People will take pictures off an ad and then post it for sale as theirs. It happens way to often.
 
I hate to be nosy, but how much did you lose? I understand if you choose not to divulge. Sorry to hear a fellow Texan was bilked. We have all been there once.
 
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Devildog:

Sorry you were taken. It unfortunately can happen to about any of us. There was another recent thread about scams. One poster recommended to the OP that they file an online complaint at Ic3.

Ic3 is the internet crime complaint center Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) | Home

It was good counsel and I'd encourage you to tell them your story too. While it might not get your losses recovered, it might help someone else not be scammed.

I posted the following over in the other thread:

Our local FBI agent swears that someone somewhere is actually reading those submissions and looking hard for the common threads, connecting the dots and trying to catch these thieves. I want to believe him.

I certainly encourage people who ask me about scams on the net to report there. It certainly can't hurt, and the worst thing that can happen is nothing comes of it. It's certain that nothing will come of it if you never tell anyone.


Wasn't long ago I went down the street and walked my elderly neighbor through an ic3 referral. A heartbreaking experience really, this old couple had been scammed out of many thousands of $.
 
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I hate to say it , but about a month ago . I inquired about a 57-1 that was listed . It was a scam it was easy to spot . But not at first there are a few easy things to do to pick out scams . First copy and paste the description the seller posts into google it almost always comes up word for word . Or use google search image . I posted about her on facebook . Unfournatley your probably never gonna see your money ...
 
I was scammed a month ago. But not on arms list. Yes I was stupid, but between all the boards I have nearly 200 transactions. Never a problem. So I was too trusting.

I think 99% of us on the gun boards are as honorable as a person can be. But remember some crooks realize this and are happy to take advantage of our honor. I'm happy I haven't been ripped off worse.
 
I was scammed a month ago. But not on arms list. Yes I was stupid, but between all the boards I have nearly 200 transactions. Never a problem. So I was too trusting.

I think 99% of us on the gun boards are as honorable as a person can be. But remember some crooks realize this and are happy to take advantage of our honor. I'm happy I haven't been ripped off worse.

Sadly, it can happen on any internet selling site. Being a musician I hear all the time about CL and ebay scammers. Buyer beware and good luck for all your future transactions.
 
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If you mailed a USPS MO to a street address, find out the local LE and make a complaint. They can go find this person and make it right. The postal inspector route is good, but may not get your $$$ back.

If you feel comfortable, please post all of the contact info for the scammer here so we can share it with other buyers.

I usually ask for a phone number and call to speak to a real human. It is usually pretty clear whether they are legit or not.
 
Unfortunately, Armslist seems to accumulate more scammers than other gun auction / sales websites. Sorry for your loss. It's a tough world out there. A few times I sweated the return of my certified payment on a very respectable (pre-internet) publication.

Some people use other forums, like this one and others similar, with a brand new user name asking about a nice or scarce piece then the offers just start rolling in on an item he / she does not have but rather only "lifted" pictures form someplace else.

I think this crime is Federal, scams that span to different States, and it's mail fraud as well as other illegalities.

One excuse was, even though I was first to call to accept his ask price, someone called afterward to offer him more money. He thought that was perfectly OK but I did get my cashier's check back about 10 days later in a US First Class envelope when I sent it to him Overnight. I truly sweated that one it was for $7K.

Another time, an old timer in Idaho, sold me what was to be (no pictures back then, just a text classified ad type description), an original 98% New Model 3 Australian, for $2,500.00 which was the correct price and a tick more for one if it was as described. After if was delivered, it was clearly refinished even over pits, with the hammer, trigger and trigger guard nickel-ed, too.

I called him to return it but before I could explain he told me a contractor was putting a new porch on his house with the money. Afterward he said I could return it and he'd get the money together, somehow. I decided to keep it instead of risk loosing the money and the gun, selling it 10 years later, presenting it for exactly what it was (a refinished NM3 Australian) for the same money I paid.

I suppose all of us, at one time or another, got blatantly scammed, not including the times we may have bought into a tall tale and plopped down way too much money based upon that "tall tale".
 
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Face to face and I must examine the arm before I buy it .
If there are any questions, we go to the local indoor range for a "test drive".
Before you buy a car , you get to eyeball it , kick the tires, sit in it and take it for a drive , right !
Gary
 
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