SCOTUS Strikes Down Bump Stock Ban

[Well Armed]

I think blaming a few gun owners for wanting to keep MGs banned is like blaming a few gun owners for crime. I know a lot of guys with machine guns and have never heard them saying they want to keep MGs banned. Most of the guys I know have had the guns for many years. Most would gladly see the MG ban go away, and prices drop. Then, they could afford to buy more guns.

I recall seeing a few of the gun owners who owned legal machine guns who wanted bumbstocks banned because they believed it hurt their investment.

No, your analogy makes no logical sense whatsoever, and it's not the same. Next, I clearly stated I saw a few, not all and not every last person, who owned legally owned machine guns wanted bumpstocks (NOT MGs like you accused me of saying) to be banned. I mentioned nothing about them wanting the machine gun ban to stay in place, although I fully suspect many, not all, and not every last one of them, like the status quo. There are even gun owners in this very thread who want bumpstocks banned and added to the NFA because they don't think civilians should have access to fullauto weapons, and there are NFA owners who don't think the general public should have access to what they have without jumping through the same hoops and spending the same amount of money.

I think the people you know who would happily like to see their tens of thousands of dollars investments, the cool factor, and the accolades go out the window overnight are the exception and not the rule. It would be bitter sweet win for them. That's just my opinion though, but I'm sure you believe otherwise. We can agree to disagree.

Even when the pistol brace rule went into effect and the ATF was giving out free tax stamps (yes I know you didn't actually get a tax stamp), I can not begin to tell you how many gun owners on gun forums and social media were highly upset and jealous because they paid $200 for each of their several SBR's AND had to get them engraved when everyone else was getting it for free without the engraving requirement. People who are in a special class don't typically like it when they're not considered special anymore.

 

[Magnum_PI]

Any day is a good day when the courts knee-cap the ATF and remind them they don't write laws.

 

[ladder13]

I’m shocked it took so long to be proposed.


Senate GOP blocks effort by Democrats to pass bump stock ban after Supreme Court ruling | CNN Politics

 

[BC38]

I’m shocked it took so long to be proposed.


Senate GOP blocks effort by Democrats to pass bump stock ban after Supreme Court ruling | CNN Politics

Yeah, hopefully we have enough true 2A supporters in both the Senate and the House to keep it from moving forward.
But I'm not holding my breath...

 

[LVSteve]

I hear it cited as a basis for the ban that the Las Vegas shooter used bump stocks. I seem to recall that there were photos of bump stocks in the shooter's room, but was there any confirmation that the bump stocks were used as opposed to other full auto weapons?

Have there been other instances of alleged bump stock use that were listed as a basis for the ban?

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There is a very long and complete list of what the Vegas shooter used and what else was in his room in terms of ammo and guns he never used. None of them were true machine guns, registered or otherwise. He achieved the effect of full auto fire using bump stocks on AR-10s and AR-15s. There is considerable evidence that at least one of his bump-stock equipped weapons jammed in some manner, forcing him to change guns. The full Las Vegas Metro and FBI/ATF reports describing the timeline and weapons used and where they were obtained are available online, but I don't have the links.

A later FBI report made a vain attempt to come up with a motive. The best they could come up with was that the shooter felt slighted by the casino industry because he had suffered a run of substantial losses. He left no notes or manifesto. Personally, I believe that was entirely deliberate, a last act to satisfy his desire for control.

Interviews with survivors and family of victims showed that this has created as much, if not more, angst than the actual death and injuries. People these days don't do well with tragedies where the nicely packaged determination of where, who, and motive has failed. Also, in the instant gratification age, authorities saying "we don't know" are met with incredulity, leading to repeated cries of "But somebody must know!" or "AHA! What aren't you telling us?" I'm unsure which is more sad and pathetic.

 

[GaryS]

Well said. Sadly some people just can't accept that things happen randomly sometimes and that bad people don't owe the world an explanation for why they do the bad things they do.

Everything is some sort of conspiracy. A guy goes crazy for some reason and kills people, it's a "false flag" operation by the government to start something or other. The Newtown shootings were a prime example of that. The government arranged to kill a bunch of children in an affluent CT town to further gun control. And people actually believed that.

The CIA killed JFK. The fact that there is no evidence to support that is all the evidence needed to prove that it's true.

The ship that ran into the bridge in Baltimore was a terrorist attack and the government is covering it up.

I could probably go on, but I'm confident that you get the point.

The downside of the Internet (which I use a lot) is that stupidity can at the speed of light (literally). As Albert Einstein said, "The difference between genius and stupidity is that there are limits to genius."

There is a very long and complete list of what the Vegas shooter used and what else was in his room in terms of ammo and guns he never used. None of them were true machine guns, registered or otherwise. He achieved the effect of full auto fire using bump stocks on AR-10s and AR-15s. There is considerable evidence that at least one of his bump-stock equipped weapons jammed in some manner, forcing him to change guns. The full Las Vegas Metro and FBI/ATF reports describing the timeline and weapons used and where they were obtained are available online, but I don't have the links.

A later FBI report made a vain attempt to come up with a motive. The best they could come up with was that the shooter felt slighted by the casino industry because he had suffered a run of substantial losses. He left no notes or manifesto. Personally, I believe that was entirely deliberate, a last act to satisfy his desire for control.

Interviews with survivors and family of victims showed that this has created as much, if not more, angst than the actual death and injuries. People these days don't do well with tragedies where the nicely packaged determination of where, who, and motive has failed. Also, in the instant gratification age, authorities saying "we don't know" are met with incredulity, leading to repeated cries of "But somebody must know!" or "AHA! What aren't you telling us?" I'm unsure which is more sad and pathetic.