SCOTUS Strikes Down Bump Stock Ban

[GaryS]

I think it will be a high hill to climb to show that these are within the scope of "common use" at the time of the founding. Justice Alito more or less said that the problem with the ATF rule was that it was well beyond the scope of what the ATF is legally allowed to do. He said that Congress could pass a bump stock law.

Of course the less mature among 2A advocates have somehow come to the conclusion that he was sending a message to Congress that they should pass such a law.

I believe that what he was doing was poking a stick in the eye of cowardly politicians of both parties who were afraid of the consequences and thus allowed the ATF to do the dirty work.

^This. The SCOTUS ruling makes no difference in Nevada (so far) as the State Assembly passed a measure banning bumpstocks. Elected representatives doing what they do, unless a later SCOTUS judgement says they have no right, which won't happen.

 

[Buick]

Doesnt have to be "in common use" at the time of the founding to be constitutionally protected. Also, Sotomayor made a major tactical error when she referred to how a bunpstock changed common semi auto rifles into machine guns. She basically admitted that ARs are in common use for lawful purposes, and therefore cannot be banned.

 

[biku324]

The level of “downvoting” in all these positive threads in the 2A Forum is mindboggling.

'Downvoting?'

 

[luvsmiths]

'Downvoting?'

You know what he means. Stop splitting hairs.

 

[Muss Muggins]

'Downvoting?'

One can vote on a thread by assigning a number of stars to it via a link top right of the OP. This one presently sits at two stars, maybe out of five. Some pay a lot of attention to it. Some pay little if any . . .

 

[Muss Muggins]

You know what he means. Stop splitting hairs.

I got five bucks and a cold Budweiser says he doesn’t. I’ve never voted on a thread in ten years. (Edit: That I recall) I just understand the concept . . .

 

[biku324]

Thanks....only been here 13 years....never paid the slightest attention to that.

 

[Well Armed]

The level of “downvoting” in all these positive threads in the 2A Forum is mindboggling.

You have to realize that the average age on this and many other gun forums is 50-80 years old. It's an other crowd of mostly what many have deemed as being "Fudds." Ounce this older democratic of gun owners are mostly out of the picture in the next couple of decades, support for gun rights and resistance to any type of gun control will be strengthened.

There's a pretty large demographic of older gun owners who hate most newer in style firearms and firearm accessories. They don't own or think highly of AR/AK pistols, pistol braces, bumpstocks, binary/FRT triggers, red dots, Mossberg Shockwave, etc.... They think the aforementioned are all stupid NFA items that should be banned and/or regulated. I've even seen some that support Universal Background Checks and make an argument for then on gun forums.

 

[GaryS]

Some of us didn't even know that was a thing.

One can vote on a thread by assigning a number of stars to it via a link top right of the OP. This one presently sits at two stars, maybe out of five. Some pay a lot of attention to it. Some pay little if any . . .

 

[ladder13]

Thanks....only been here 13 years....never paid the slightest attention to that.

Got you beat, 17 years before I was shown -2 yo.

 

[biku324]

I hear it cited as a basis for the ban that the Las Vegas shooter used bump stocks. I seem to recall that there were photos of bump stocks in the shooter's room, but was there any confirmation that the bump stocks were used as opposed to other full auto weapons?

Have there been other instances of alleged bump stock use that were listed as a basis for the ban?

Moderators: If this post belongs in another forum location, please move it.

Sorry, I missed this.

Yes. Police have been dealing with bumpstock issues for years. In my area we started seeing these with local gangsters (non-prison affiliates of Syndicato Nuevo Mexico) in Roswell, Artesia, Las Cruces, and Deming, NM around 2005/06. The first calls were complaints of 'people using machine guns' but quickly calls soon morphed into 'bumpers' becoming commonly used drive-by shooting weapons. For those unfamiliar with how border stuff works, border gangs recruit juveniles to move dope for them as juvies usually get probation when caught. The adults in the gang will promise to pay the kid's family x dollars a month if they do end up in detention. So; what's cheaper - paying a detained kid's family $500 a month, or putting out the word that the kid snitched when he didn't, then shooting up his family's house a few times and no longer paying?

Please tell your friends to quit buying dope and this will stop.

Did I mention that people suck?

 

[AlHunt]

Putting the legalities aside, things like bump stocks just give fodder to the anti-gun crowd when it tries to perpetuate the stereotypical "gun nut" persona.

They make fodder out of thin air. I no longer worry about "how it looks" (whatever it is) to any particular group.

 

[BC38]

Putting the legalities aside, things like bump stocks just give fodder to the anti-gun crowd when it tries to perpetuate the stereotypical "gun nut" persona.

...and do you really think they will demonize us gun-owning "gun nuts" any less if we give up our bump-stocks, and binary triggers, and AR-15s?
Exactly how much do WE have to give up to get off their "enemies list"?
IMO, the answer to that question is EVERYTHING. Because the anti-2nd-Amendment folks won't stop until we are all completely disarmed.
So, in your opinion, how much capitulation and compromise is enough? How much do WE have to give up to satisfy THEM?

 

[Waldo]

You have to realize that the average age on this and many other gun forums is 50-80 years old. It's an other crowd of mostly what many have deemed as being "Fudds." Ounce this older democratic of gun owners are mostly out of the picture in the next couple of decades, support for gun rights and resistance to any type of gun control will be strengthened.

There's a pretty large demographic of older gun owners who hate most newer in style firearms and firearm accessories. They don't own or think highly of AR/AK pistols, pistol braces, bumpstocks, binary/FRT triggers, red dots, Mossberg Shockwave, etc.... They think the aforementioned are all stupid NFA items that should be banned and/or regulated. I've even seen some that support Universal Background Checks and make an argument for then on gun forums.

I think you might be surprised at how many older gun owners have been fighting gun laws for many years. I also know a whole bunch of older guys who don't fool with bump stocks because they have legal machine guns.

 

[GaryS]

"But for everyone, surely, what we have gone through in this period — I am addressing myself to the School — surely from this period of ten months this is the lesson: never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never-in nothing, great or small, large or petty — never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."

Putting the legalities aside, things like bump stocks just give fodder to the anti-gun crowd when it tries to perpetuate the stereotypical "gun nut" persona.

 

[Well Armed]

I think you might be surprised at how many older gun owners have been fighting gun laws for many years. I also know a whole bunch of older guys who don't fool with bump stocks because they have legal machine guns.

I recall seeing a few of the gun owners who owned legal machine guns who wanted bumbstocks banned because they believed it hurt their investment. They didn’t like that they shelled out tens of thousands in some cases when others could get a similar experience for a couple of hundred.

Other than that, I agree that there are a lot of older gun owners who are very pro 2A and have fought to get some of these unconditional ATF regulations overturned. That said, 9 times out of 10, it's either older Fudds or liberal gun owners who live in Liberal states who support ATF overreach and more gun control.

 

[AlHunt]

That said, 9 times out of 10, it's either older Fudds or liberal gun owners who live in Liberal states who support ATF overreach and more gun control.

I think you'll find that the younger crowd tends to skew anti-gun at a higher rate than us fudds who grew up before guns turned evil.

Maybe I'm wrong and I'm not going to go look for it at the moment.

 

[BC38]

I recall seeing a few of the gun owners who owned legal machine guns who wanted bumbstocks banned because they believed it hurt their investment. They didn’t like that they shelled out tens of thousands in some cases when others could get a similar experience for a couple of hundred.

Other than that, I agree that there are a lot of older gun owners who are very pro 2A and have fought to get some of these unconditional ATF regulations overturned. That said, 9 times out of 10, it's either older Fudds or liberal gun owners who live in Liberal states who support ATF overreach and more gun control.

Yeah, that is a great example of people placing their own self-interests ahead of more important, fundamental principles.

How sad is that?

Thankfully our founding fathers weren't so short-sighted...

 

[Waldo]

I recall seeing a few of the gun owners who owned legal machine guns who wanted bumbstocks banned because they believed it hurt their investment. They didn’t like that they shelled out tens of thousands in some cases when others could get a similar experience for a couple of hundred.

Other than that, I agree that there are a lot of older gun owners who are very pro 2A and have fought to get some of these unconditional ATF regulations overturned. That said, 9 times out of 10, it's either older Fudds or liberal gun owners who live in Liberal states who support ATF overreach and more gun control.

I think blaming a few gun owners for wanting to keep MGs banned is like blaming a few gun owners for crime. I know a lot of guys with machine guns and have never heard them saying they want to keep MGs banned. Most of the guys I know have had the guns for many years. Most would gladly see the MG ban go away, and prices drop. Then they could afford to buy more guns.

 

[SnidelyWhiplash]

Bill Ruger supported gun control as long as didn't hinder his sales.