Sear block!!!!!

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I need a new sear block for my M&P 9 mm in order to complete the installation of the Apex Tactical forward set sear and trigger kit. My sear block is the older uses the 1/16 inch diameter plunger and spring. Does anyone know of any source for one of these 1/8 inch sear blocks. I've tried every where I can think of. Midway, Brownell's etc.. My pistol is laying in the shop with the part on back order for over a month. I don't know whether to put it all back together or wait it out. I scour the internet on a regular basis for this part. Can anyone help?
 
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I believe I read somewhere that Apex can drill out the hole where the sear spring and plunger goes to make it fit the 1/8th" spring. I does not hurt to contact them and ask.
 
I need a new sear block for my M&P 9 mm in order to complete the installation of the Apex Tactical forward set sear and trigger kit. My sear block is the older uses the 1/16 inch diameter plunger and spring. Does anyone know of any source for one of these 1/8 inch sear blocks. I've tried every where I can think of. Midway, Brownell's etc.. My pistol is laying in the shop with the part on back order for over a month. I don't know whether to put it all back together or wait it out. I scour the internet on a regular basis for this part. Can anyone help?

I realize you just wanted the block, but here's a different option. S&W Sear Housing Block with PC SEAR at G and R Tactical

Just checked, they're out of stock now. I think if it were me, I'd just reassemble it with the smaller spring. That spring design worked for a number of years.
 
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Thanks Bkreutz. That is what I'm looking for. In fact I called them this morning after seeing this on their web site. After talking to a man at G and R Tactical about the part he assured me that this was the part I needed and that they did have it in stock. I couldn't believe it! To be safe I contacted my gunsmith to have him look at it and make sure also. He called G and R and they assured him also that the sear block was in stock. He told him if it's on the web site it's in stock. Which is a lie because their are several things on the web site that are clearly marked "out of stock". I couldn't get it into my shopping cart when trying to order it online so I called them back. The same man I and the gunsmith had talked to then told me it was because they do not have the part in stock. Needless to say this really made me mad. I called the gunsmith back and told him to keep trying and told him what had happened. His advice was that G and R Tactical might be a company to stay away from.
 
Email Apex and ask what happens if you keep your stock 1/16 inch sear spring and cap. They are good at answering email questions. Address your email to [email protected], who is Jon Shadwick and he is good at answering technical questions. Apex used to sell all M&P kits with a 1/16 spring and then when the 1/8 sear spring became a S&W standard item, Apex included both the 1/16 and 1/8 inch springs in their kits. Apex emailed me over a year ago and said that since all new M&Ps were shipping with the 1/8 inch spring, they were no longer shipping both springs in their kits, but just the 1/8 inch spring.

I would think the 1/16 inch spring should work. They spoke about sear flutter and that is why the 1/8 inch spring is now the standard. If it worked a little over a year ago, why would it not work now? The Apex sear springs have slightly more pressure than the stock sear springs. That is why Apex advises if you keep the stock sear and stock trigger springs, your pull should be about one pound less, than if you installed the Apex springs.

Bob
 
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The FSS has a different designed sear. That may be why Apex said it needs the 1/8 inch spring to supply more pressure. Apex has three sears for the M&Ps. The FSS is used in conjunction with Apex's trigger and the same sear is used in the 45, 40 and 9mm, but not in the Shield as Apex doesn't have the FSS kit for the Shield.

Then per Apex:

"The only difference between the DCAEK kits for the Standard M&P 40, 9mm & Shield kits compared to the M&P 45 kits is the sear itself, except that the Shield kits differ only in that they use a smaller slave pin for installing the trigger spring. The Competition kits use the exact same parts, except for lower pressure springs. Since the 45 has a shorter trigger bar in relation to the engagement point of the sear, which means we had to move the sear lobe forward by X amount on the 45 sear to make it work in the 45 frame every time. In some cases the standard sear can be used in the 45 and the same is true the other way around, but to keep things consistent when it came to trigger pull weights and over travel distances, we created two different sears. Using a 45 sear in a standard M&P will yield a longer over travel, by a slight amount and decrease the pre-travel an equal amount. In our years of professional training and shooting, we found that by eliminating over travel to less than .030 of an inch, we achieve better accuracy across the board, so the decrease in over travel was most important with the production of the 45 sear."

Since you can't find the newer 1/8 inch sear block/housing, why not give the stock 1/16 spring a try, it can't hurt anything. I would think the issue is needing higher pressure on the sear, than the 1/16 stock spring can supply. However if you put a very short spacer under the 1/16 inch spring, to raise the spring no more than 1/16 inch, that would increase the spring pressure greatly. It may need as little as 1/32 inch spacer to work properly and who knows it could work without any spacer. The sear spring's only purpose is to raise the rear of the sear, that is all it does. Because the FSS moves the trigger break point forward, the issue should be keeping the sear raised higher, to catch and hold the striker. The FSS sear is designed differently and the top of the sear, where it catches the striker, may have less height than the other sears and thus the height that the rear must be raised could be greater. I don't know as I do not have a FSS sear, but I do have the stock sear and the Apex DCAEK sear.

A sear pressure test you can do is remove the slide on your current gun and test pushing down on the sear with your finger, getting a feel how much pressure is needed to get the sear to start to move. Then when you install the FSS kit, test the sear pressure the same way. Try to get a similar pressure by changing what you need to use as a spacer under the 1/16 inch spring.

You can't do any damage to the kit or gun, other than it may not fire properly (FTF), but this should in no way damage the gun or kit. After install test it by dry firing. If you can get it to dry fire properly (watch the Apex video for adjusting the timing on the sear loop), then load the chamber with one round, insert an empty mag and test fire. If all works properly, load one round in the chamber, and one round in the mag. Test fire two shots. If this works keep adding more rounds in the mag, and test fire two shots. The more rounds that are in the mag will cause more upwards pressure on the rear of the slide, and per the Apex video, raising the slide can cause the sear to release the striker sooner. If all tests OK, then you should be good until you can find and install the 1/8 inch sear housing.

Or you can wait until you can get the new sear housing.

Bob
 
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FYI, I have an older 40c, got the sear housing block from G&R and had do to a little grinding on the handle/polymer to get it to fit...
I had the older style 1/16" sear spring.
Hundreds of rounds through mine (also has the APEX DCAEK kit) and zero issues.
A gunsmith, however, can file and fit if need be.
 
I really appreciate all the responses to my dilemma. These 1/8 inch sear block housings are nearly impossible to find.....anywhere. Thanks to Smith & Wesson forum member randyr5 I now have one which will allow me to complete the installation of my Apex Tactical Forward set trigger and reset assist mechanism. Their is no telling when these might become available again as Smith & Wesson has assured me that all of the new sear housing blocks are going for production only. I don't look for that to slow down any time soon so this was a break for me to find one.
 
Okay so I thought I was all done with this except I noticed that the plug on the left side of the frame is not their. How important is this (I'm thinking it's important) ? How do I get one and what is their to putting it back in?
 
Okay so I thought I was all done with this except I noticed that the plug on the left side of the frame is not their. How important is this (I'm thinking it's important) ? How do I get one and what is their to putting it back in?

It just fills the hole, it has no function except to keep pocket lint out of it. It's a holdover from when there was a internal lock. The sear block is solid in that area so dirt can't get into the action. To install it you have to remove the sear block, put the plug in, and slide the sear block back in. I've seen them available at various sources. If it was mine, I wouldn't worry about it since it's only cosmetic.
 
Thanks Bkreutz. That is what I'm looking for. In fact I called them this morning after seeing this on their web site. After talking to a man at G and R Tactical about the part he assured me that this was the part I needed and that they did have it in stock. I couldn't believe it! To be safe I contacted my gunsmith to have him look at it and make sure also. He called G and R and they assured him also that the sear block was in stock. He told him if it's on the web site it's in stock. Which is a lie because their are several things on the web site that are clearly marked "out of stock". I couldn't get it into my shopping cart when trying to order it online so I called them back. The same man I and the gunsmith had talked to then told me it was because they do not have the part in stock. Needless to say this really made me mad. I called the gunsmith back and told him to keep trying and told him what had happened. His advice was that G and R Tactical might be a company to stay away from.


We think you mis-understood what our sales manager told you. What he did say is that if you can add the item to the shopping cart then you are good (not if it is on the website).


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I'm not sure if this is the specific thread I was thinking of from previously reading but wanted to let people know that G&R has the Sear housing block with Performance Center Sear in stock right now. I've been checking a few times a week and was able to put an order in earlier today. This is the first time I've seen them in stock there in several months.

S&W Sear Housing Block with PC SEAR at G and R Tactical
 
I'm not sure if this is the specific thread I was thinking of from previously reading but wanted to let people know that G&R has the Sear housing block with Performance Center Sear in stock right now. I've been checking a few times a week and was able to put an order in earlier today. This is the first time I've seen them in stock there in several months.

S&W Sear Housing Block with PC SEAR at G and R Tactical

Yes, they are in stock. Note that you MUST have an M&P that has the frame cut out for the thumb safety in order for these to fit!


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