Seems Chili’s and Sonic won't be getting

If Sonic is so worried about their image, they need to cut down on the drug deals in the parking lot. Two cars pull up beside each other, arms cross over and then drive away without ordering food.

The manager is safely inside his glass cage and must take the "see no evil" approach.

I never had understood the "fears" people get if a person is caught printing in a restaurant. How do the patrons know if it is a law abiding citizen who went through hoops getting his license OR an off duty/undercover cop. You would think that most people would appreciate off duty cop/undercover cops in almost any business establishment.
 
Fair enough. I've been prohibiting bad Mexican food and openly microwaved hotdogs in my place for years. That stuff is dangerous, and you can't use it to defend yourself or anybody else. Sonic hotdogs are strictly an offensive weapon.
 
They just opened up a Sonic here. Wonder how that's gonna work out for them during the winter? Never been to a Chilis and we're not fast food folks anymore. Kids are long gone and I've seen better things lying on the road dead that I would eat first.
DW
 
Ah....The good old days...

I remember back a number of years at a place in Cordes Junction, North of Phoenix, half way to Flagstaff, there was a cafe/bar that had a sign that said all persons had to check their guns at the bar...There was a peg board on the wall for you to hang up your hardware...

The place is gone now, torn down for a gas station.


Back to the OP statement...I recon it won't be long before we read about Chili's or Sonic being held up.......By the perps coming in the back door, because they couldn't read the sign at the front door.


WuzzFuzz
 
I am absolutely crushed!



well.... not really... never go there anyway, why would I :eek:
 
As much as I support the 2A and the right to carry, I believe that business owners should have the right to serve or not serve who they wish, including gun carrying patrons if they so choose. As a business owner I would not want the government or anyone else telling me who I have to do business with.

As patrons, we should exercise the right to frequent or not frequent said businesses.
 
Faulkner: As a private citizen, you do have the right to select where to spend your money. However as a BUSINESS, you are open to the public. And with that comes the obligation to serve anyone. Any color, any ethnic group, any religion and so on.

Let's say your 17 year old daughter's car breaks down in a rural area on her way home from college at 9PM. She is 2 hours away. The only tow truck operator in town shows up and says. "I'm not towing any **** daughter" and drives away.

Substitute **** with your favorite racial or ethnic slur. Or even the word pig. Maybe the tow truck driver is a LEO hater.
How do you feel now about selective serving of the public???

Your last sentence is spot on and I agree. But the days of signs saying "whites only", " No Irish" are done.
 
WHOA....Gordon....Does a bar have the right to not serve more booze to a drunk?

Does a cabbie have the right to not to go the wrong side of town at 2 in the morning to pick up a fare?


WuzzFuzz
 
I don't know that I can really blame Sonic for prohibiting open carry in their restaurants. From what I read in the news people were showing up with rifles strapped to their backs.

How would you react if you were sitting in a restaurant and someone walked in with a rifle?

You know; I can understand both sides of this coin. Problem is, most equate CCW with OC individual, with the reality which is well meaning, but not really thinking stuff thru folks who feel that they should 'assert' themselves via getting 5-20 folks together carrying rifles (oft unloaded, for whatever STOOPID reason they do that) and walking into a restaurant, Home Depot, etc. all at once, just to show you that they can.

And that's where the rub is. #1. It's an eating establishment. Do you REALLY sit at the table daily in your own home with a shotgun, a pistol and a knife at the table? (Spare me the uber stud picture of the short 45 on the table and a schminky $130 pocket knife being used to cut your steak, whilst the steak knife sits upon the table unused, as though it were so lonely and being humiliated by your superior folding finger-cutter.):rolleyes: Only for the pic, to prove you are a poser.
#2. At said eating establishment, with my young kids; I don't concern myself with A fella with a holstered rig. He's not my concern. But when 15 folks show up, and they are there to 'make a bold statement'..... these are the folks and these are the times when a gun seems most likely to accidentally just 'go off.' And whom exactly are you kidding? (Yourself.)
#3. Again, at said eating establishment. I happen to have been really good friends with a kid named Greg. When we were young, his uncle was a truck driver, and was a really neat guy. Drove a big rig, and we knew just what it looked like! Well, there was a shooting at a McDonald's in SanYsidro, and on the news, we saw Greg's uncle's truck.:( He did not leave that restaurant alive. He died trying to stop the gunman. Yes, he was unarmed. He was a peace loving guy, and a big man, and I can't tell you why or why not he would or would not have been carrying. It matters not, 30 years later.
My point is: You whom insist on having a group walk into ANY establishment while arrogantly carrying to assert yourselves are tempting fate. And someday, fate is going to smile down upon you, with disastrous results. It's not that I will relish when a bunch of armed, but unloaded (ie UNARMED) people are considered a threat by someone else and opened fire upon, by a very REAL armed person. And a lot of blood will needlessly get spilled, and a bunch of empty rifles will be laying on the ground soaked in blood, or God forbid, they will be dropped and scratched or bent as their owners flee whatever malfeasance is thrust upon them, rendering them to French battle rifle status.:rolleyes:

Pushing my temperament as a Home Depot manager, or an owner or manager of a restaurant IS NOT WISE. So YOU are SOOoooo happy to be playing 'gun boy' in MY BUSINESS. And then MY CUSTOMERS leave because of YOU. Intimidating my customers is not wise, as I will simply restrict YOU for interrupting MY commerce and serving MY community.

Never forget..... YOU would NOT feel too comfortable were I to walk directly to YOUR DOOR carrying my rifle- unloaded or not. YOU would NOT feel comfortable with me walking toward your kids on the sidewalk in front of their school. ( I know; I KNOW..... YOU are the benevolent protector, and you would meet MY rifle with YOUR rifle. And so THATS how you would like to greet each other in front of the school, or in front of Denny's on a Sunday morning??!! :cool:

No. You'd be nervous as hell. You would NOT be comfortable, at all. Whether you knew me well, or not. So WHY push gun rights supporters' buttons? Is it you'd like to get one shook up so they will test your resolve with that unloaded rifle? Is it so that gun rights supporters will look at your actions and say "I don't like gun rules, but I like you morons even LESS..."

Do us all a BIG FAVOR. Take pictures of your gun on your dinner table with a steak. Show me what a bad-azz you are, insinuating that the pistol took down that mad steer in a fight at the corral, and you are now conquering it with your pocket knife, whilst the steak knife plays the role of food bitch and sits silently at the table. But leave your rifles in the car, and quietly, discreetly slip a pistol for protection into your waistband holster, and go about your day confident that though the rest of these folks might wind up pushing daisies if a lunatic shows up unannounced, you can at least defend yourself.

Because, well....... you embarrass me. Because you embarrass yourselves.;)
 
Faulkner: As a private citizen, you do have the right to select where to spend your money. However as a BUSINESS, you are open to the public. And with that comes the obligation to serve anyone. Any color, any ethnic group, any religion and so on.
Let's say your 17 year old daughter's car breaks down in a rural area on her way home from college at 9PM. She is 2 hours away. The only tow truck operator in town shows up and says. "I'm not towing any **** daughter" and drives away.

Substitute **** with your favorite racial or ethnic slur. Or even the word pig. Maybe the tow truck driver is a LEO hater.
How do you feel now about selective serving of the public???

Your last sentence is spot on and I agree. But the days of signs saying "whites only", " No Irish" are done.

The sign on the wall SAYS "We reserve the right to refuse service to ANYONE."
And so long as it is posted, and we keep that as a policy...... my house, my rules.
 
Serving more booze to a drunk man after you have already served him is nothing close to discriminating in the first place.

And as far as the cabbie is concerned, he should have his medallion yanked if he refuses service.

In 1986 I was working for a franchisee of a worldwide hotel chain and was transferred to Missisippi. When I got there, I was told by the owners that they did not serve blacks (they used another word) in the lounge area of the hotel. They would rent them a room or allow them in the restaurant, but not the bar.

The local drugstore/soda shop in town still had a separate counter for blacks. And this was in 1986!!!! 32 years after Brown v Board of education. Needless to say, my short time in Mississippi was unpleasant and I took my wife and newborn and headed for south Florida.

In Florida, my 60 person staff included people from over a dozen countries, several shades of skin color and at least 8 religions.

You don't have to LIKE your customers, but you do have to serve them, take their money and send them on their way. They are merely a transient customer in a transaction. One of thousands.
 
In defense of Chili's and Sonics's food, are not they franchise run?

It's like going to a Denny's, some are horrible, and some..well.... the water is good,(sometimes). But it depends on who is doing the cooking. They aren't corp workers, they work for the franchise owner.

So..isn't it up to the franchisee to decide what goes at their establishment?

Just wondering!!!!!!!


WuzzFuzz
 
Gordon, But is it discrimination..racial, political, ethnic, if ALL persons are requested to abide?

If the establishment says...No shirt, no service. does that not apply to all?

Does the establishment have the right to say, NO CHECKS? or No Credit Cards? Does that apply to all?

Does the establishment, have the right to do that?

No refunds without a receipt. Can they do that?

And as far as the cabbie is concerned, he should have his medallion yanked if he refuses service.

If I am a independent cab owner, I HAVE to go?????? I don't think so. The city is going to take my medallion because I said I don't think it's safe to go to that part of town late at night? Shoot, a lot of other people aren't even going to go to that part of town late at night...(Well, maybe the druggies do, or the muggers there are waiting for their next victim)

And then there is a hot dog stand in Chicago, that does not offer ketchup with their hot dogs. Can they do that?

WuzzFuzz
 
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Faulkner: As a private citizen, you do have the right to select where to spend your money. However as a BUSINESS, you are open to the public. And with that comes the obligation to serve anyone. Any color, any ethnic group, any religion and so on.

Let's say your 17 year old daughter's car breaks down in a rural area on her way home from college at 9PM. She is 2 hours away. The only tow truck operator in town shows up and says. "I'm not towing any **** daughter" and drives away.

Substitute **** with your favorite racial or ethnic slur. Or even the word pig. Maybe the tow truck driver is a LEO hater.
How do you feel now about selective serving of the public???

Your last sentence is spot on and I agree. But the days of signs saying "whites only", " No Irish" are done.

Maybe I'm mis-understanding here, but it seems to me that hispanic ≠ gun carrier, black ≠ gun carrier, white≠ gun carrier, female/male ≠ gun carrier.You can put down carrying a gun if you want to. It's perfectly legal to require a coat and tie in a restaurant. No tie? Sorry, this is a high class place and we require formal dress. A firearm, it's ideological and constitutional trappings aside is much more like a sportcoat than it is skin color.
The constitution forbids discrimination on the basis of race, religion, sex, and age; not accessories.
 
I was concerned about Faulkners comments, not the OP.

His comment was that as a business owner, he decides WHO he wants to do business with. Not conditions of sale. Faulkner doesn't even allow you to get to the point of check versus credit card. He stops you from being a customer at all.

Wuzzfuzz lists rules of sale. I support every one of them. There is nothing wrong with rules of sale, as long as every customer is subject to them.

The OP was citing the privilege of the restaurant chains to make rules. Unfortunately, they do have that right. It is a rule of sale. I don't agree with it, but it is legal. We can only vote with our wallet in situations like this. However, it does no good unless you tell the offending corporate office.

Walmart's had NO GUNS signs. The key word here is HAD. Not any more.
 
A "demonstration" is different than an individual going about his normal routine / business.

I don't get involved in demonstrations. Walking around with a crew in BDOs and armalites, well...I don't see the point, anymore than the "ride your bicycle naked day parade". Like a bullfight: fun to watch, but....
 
I remember around 20 years ago when Texas first began concealed licensing. The first thing many of the restaurants did was post signs saying something to the effect of "no handguns allowed". This did not make you, the concealed weapon holder a law breaker if you carried your gun into the restaurant! If they asked you to leave because you were armed, legally, and you did not, the authorities could charge you with trespass and trespass only.

Soon, very soon, after the lawyers had a chance to chew on this concept of not "allowing" licensed CHL folks in their clients place of business (i.e. restaurants) the signs began to come down quite rapidly.

I guess the learned barristers determined that if I brought my family into a restaurant, had to leave my "legal" weapon in my truck (gave up my right in Texas to protect myself and my family). The lawyers suggested to their restaurant clients they might want to rethink the forbading concept of "no guns" If a man left his licensed carry weapon in his truck, to eat in a restaurant that nobody had guns, and something happened in the way of a shooting, the onerous to protect the customers came to rest solely on the shoulders of the restaurant to protect the customers even more diligently than ever. This is how it was explained to me.

I will ask Chilis and Sonic if this is their policy and I too will be a former customer.

I think you're talking about Luby's and this scenario absolutely happened.
I tried to copy a utube link to a survivor, Dr. Susan Gratia-Hupp who testified. If you haven't seen this you need to see it.

Dr Susan Gratia-Hupp - Survivor of the 1991 Kileen TX Lubys Shooting Massacre - YouTube
 
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Faulkner: As a private citizen, you do have the right to select where to spend your money. However as a BUSINESS, you are open to the public. And with that comes the obligation to serve anyone. Any color, any ethnic group, any religion and so on.

Let's say your 17 year old daughter's car breaks down in a rural area on her way home from college at 9PM. She is 2 hours away. The only tow truck operator in town shows up and says. "I'm not towing any **** daughter" and drives away.

Substitute **** with your favorite racial or ethnic slur. Or even the word pig. Maybe the tow truck driver is a LEO hater.
How do you feel now about selective serving of the public???

Your last sentence is spot on and I agree. But the days of signs saying "whites only", " No Irish" are done.

I don't agree you, and I don't condone discrimination. I do believe there are times when a business open to the public should be allowed to refuse service. To discuss further would likely break forum rules so I'll reframe from commenting further.
 

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