"Series 80" or such in S&W 1911s?

[Ron H.]

Greetings, all:

Do S&W 1911s have any "Series 80" or "Schwarz safety" type things in them, or are they straight 1911 internally?

Thanks, and Semper Fi.

Ron H.

 

[BUFF]

SW1911's have a Schwartz-style grip safety-activated firing pin lock. They also differ from standard 1911 design in that they have an external extractor.

 

[Bluefox]

Buff,What are the pros and cons of each?

 

[oldRoger]

Here is my take on the "Schwartz safety" it is designed to prevent something from happening which may have never happened, but in any case is extremely rare. IMO it is an unnecessary complication. Caution, Lawyers at work!
Some worry about the failure of the Schwartz, IMO failure is as rare as the accidental discharge it is designed to prevent.

If you search for "external safety" you will find many discussions here. Briefly, the original internal safety works fine at least in the 1911 style in 45 ACP. The external safety that S&W uses is very robust and works fine as well.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

Some worry about the failure of the Schwartz, IMO failure is as rare as the accidental discharge it is designed to prevent.

The Series 80 safety on the Colt can easily be improperly assembled so that the pistol cannot be fired. I forget whether it is the frame half or the slide half, but I think that it is the frame. Whenever the slide or frame has been detail disassembled, the pistol should be checked after assembly by dropping a pencil, eraser first, into the barrel of a cocked, unloaded gun which is pointed skyward. When the trigger is pulled, the pencil should fly out of the gun.

 

[Wee Hooker]

The Series 80 safety on the Colt can easily be improperly assembled so that the pistol cannot be fired. I forget whether it is the frame half or the slide half, but I think that it is the frame. Whenever the slide or frame has been detail disassembled, the pistol should be checked after assembly by dropping a pencil, eraser first, into the barrel of a cocked, unloaded gun which is pointed skyward. When the trigger is pulled, the pencil should fly out of the gun.

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