Shaving Lead at the forcing cone--Dan Wesson

[VonFatman]

Any suggestions as to how to fix this problem? Every bullet get's a new shape as it enters the forcing cone/barrel.

Dan Wesson SuperMag.

"Factory Ammo"...current production "Dan Wesson Ammunition" made by a small-time "manufacturer".

Thanks.

Bob

and...it can smart a little!

 

[VonFatman]

Any suggestions as to how to fix this problem? Every bullet get's a new shape as it enters the forcing cone/barrel.

Dan Wesson SuperMag.

"Factory Ammo"...current production "Dan Wesson Ammunition" made by a small-time "manufacturer".

Thanks.

Bob

and...it can smart a little!

 

[dfariswheel]

The "usuals" on shaving bullets are:

Bad ammo.

An altered or defective barrel.
On this one, a barrel may have been reworked and the "doer" didn't re-cut and gage the forcing cone. If the cone is out-of-spec it can shave lead.
Note I said "re-cut AND gage". You can't gage the cone with the eyeball. The cone is far more than just a funnel at the rear. It MUST be within spec or you get problems.

Out of time action.
The action may have a problem and it's firing before the cylinder is locked up.

Alignment problem.
Again, a defective action may be locking the cylinder out of alignment with the bore. This will shave like crazy. Check with a range rod.

 

[VonFatman]

Thanks dfariswheel! I'll look into each of the possible solutions. It will require a bit of look-see to find the problem.

Bob

 

[Bullseye Smith]

Have the forcing cone open up some. From the PIC it doesn't look to have much tapper to it. Can the barrel be removed like the other DW Arms? If it can take it to a machine shop and have them cut it to 11 degs.

 

[tomcatt51]

Can the barrel be installed reversed, end for end, with the forcing cone end at the muzzle? I had a Dan Wesson years ago but don't remember if you can.

 

[HEADKNOCKER]

The cylinder end of the barrels on DWs have much longer threads to prevent the barrel from being installed backwards..
I too would remove the barrel & have a competent gunsmith recut the forcing cone to 11 degrees..
You might also have them check the cylinder to barrel lineup with a range rod..
Good Luck!!
Gary/Hk

 

[VonFatman]

Thanks guys...I will have the gun looked at to make sure the problem is found!!

Bob

 

[Pepper]

Bob - I remember those days back in the early silhouette days before Freedom Arms jumped into the game. The Super Mags were notorious for spitting. I still have some scars!!! Check your cylinder gap too. There is a trick to keeping it from opening up. Just read on-line over the weekend (can't remember where) that CZ will not be making an more DWs, but that they still have a good supply of new parts. You might be able to get a new barrel from them. Also, there is a DW Forum. Might be some info there. http://www.danwessonforum.com/

 

[bountyhunter]

Originally posted by tomcatt51:
Can the barrel be installed reversed, end for end, with the forcing cone end at the muzzle? I had a Dan Wesson years ago but don't remember if you can.

I don't think so but I see why you might think so: the picture of that barrel doesn't look like it has much of a forcing cone cut at all. Maybe it's just the angle of the photo.

 

[VonFatman]

Thanks for the links and suggestions!!

I will certainlly check this and the extra barrel that came with the gun to see if the cone is cut properly.

Bob

 

[VonFatman]

Bad news.

The frame looks to have been miss bored...the barrel does not align with the cylinder...

The barrel comes in low to the cylinder holes AND the angle seems off as well.

pbslinger & I went over the gun today and this news was not good.

The forcing cone cuts in the barrel are identical to his barrels on his 357 SuperMags.
The cones seem to be just fine.

I am not excited about this but will contact D. Wesson to see if they have any suggestions.

Bob

 

[The Maxo]

It would be pretty odd to find a DW with the barrel hole in the frame misaligned. DW "line bored" the chambers, meaning they fit the cylinder to the frame first and use the barrel hole in the frame as a guide for boring the chambers in the cylinder. I've heard the Freedom Arms does likewise.

I've never noticed my SuperMags spitting.

While running tests for velocity loss vs cylinder gap with a 44 Mag DW I found that when the cylinder gap reached 0.012 the revolver would spit. Of course, one would not normally set the gap at 0.012.

 

[dfariswheel]

You'd expect NOT to find a problem like a mis-bored barrel hole in a frame, BUT.... Dan Wesson's quality fluctuated badly from time to time during the various times they were in and out of trouble.

People always say DW was one of the most accurate revolvers, right up there with the Colt Python, but due to the fluctuations, you couldn't be absolutely sure you were getting a good one.
Unfortunately, you got a bad one.
If the hole is off, the frame is pretty much toast.

 

[VonFatman]

I guess when D.W. gets back with me I will know more. I wish it did not look like it is off...but we may be full of beans.

Bob

 

[mstuhr]

Hi Bob,
It sounds like you or pbslinger was away from home. pbslinger is from up my way.
It does not sound like I can be of much help.
I have a new e-mail address.(off dial up at last) It is in my profile if you need anything just yell.
Good luck
Mike

 

[VonFatman]

Mike,
Great Curly avatar!

Bob