Looks like the Feds don't like the uppity Sheriffs telling them what to do.
Federal Framework Being Set Up To Arrest Sheriffs - 12160
Federal Framework Being Set Up To Arrest Sheriffs - 12160
Sheriffs being set up?
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diamonback68
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Tip of the iceberg. You haven't anything yet of what they will really do before they are done. 
25elk
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Not to start any wild discussions or to disparage anyone in this great country of ours, but in reality this was THE ISSUE that the Civil War was really fought over. States Rights. Our Constitution was written to protect us from the Federal Government and its agents, which to this day are trying to usurp the power of the individual states.
safearm
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I really need to invest in tin foil.
keith44spl
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If'n the secret police...er I mean,
The secret service tries to start arresting elected sheriffs in Texas....
I'd look for The Governor to call out the Texas Guard to defend all of the good folks of Texas and all of it's elected officials.
The sheriffs in Colorado might want to look at heading south....And jest leave Colorado to the wolves and their own devises.
I don't see the feds being any better at law enforcement than any thing else they to do.....I think it'll all wind up being a state by state
thing and the federal code continuing to be not enforceable.
It's all a big mess....A lot of Sheriffs and Deputies to deal with.
Hollow Threats? Who Knows.
But,
"Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden, son of Vice President Joe Biden,
sending out mandates to commissioners informing them that their sheriffs no longer have arrest powers.
In an opinion released February 24,"
Sheriffs Bushwhacked | American Free Press
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The secret service tries to start arresting elected sheriffs in Texas....
I'd look for The Governor to call out the Texas Guard to defend all of the good folks of Texas and all of it's elected officials.
The sheriffs in Colorado might want to look at heading south....And jest leave Colorado to the wolves and their own devises.
I don't see the feds being any better at law enforcement than any thing else they to do.....I think it'll all wind up being a state by state
thing and the federal code continuing to be not enforceable.
It's all a big mess....A lot of Sheriffs and Deputies to deal with.
Hollow Threats? Who Knows.
But,
"Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden, son of Vice President Joe Biden,
sending out mandates to commissioners informing them that their sheriffs no longer have arrest powers.
In an opinion released February 24,"
Sheriffs Bushwhacked | American Free Press
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Where is this legislation that is mentioned being proposed? In the United States Congress? In the General Assemblies of the states mentioned?
I'll tell you a little secret . . . the Feds don't need any legislation passed to give them "police powers" in the various states. The United States Constitution does that. The power to make and enforce laws is a concurrent power, shared by the states and the national government. Article VI of the Constitution, however, makes the National government the supreme lawmaker:
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof . . . . . . . shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.
All I have heard along these lines is that some democrat lawmaker in Texas was introducing such legislation. Lots of luck with that.
There is plenty of precedent for a president to send Federal troops into a state, or to just Federalize the state's NG, to see that Federal law is upheld when the states refuse to do so. See Orval Faubus and DD Eisenhower in Little Rock, Arkansas, and George Wallace and LBJohnson in Alabama.
The actions of the Sheriffs are purely symbolic. They may indeed refuse to uphold Federal law, and I applaud them for their stand. I agree with the statements of defiance they are making.
When it comes down to the nut-cutting, though, the Federal government already has the Constitutional authority to come into a state and uphold/enforce Federal law.
I'll tell you a little secret . . . the Feds don't need any legislation passed to give them "police powers" in the various states. The United States Constitution does that. The power to make and enforce laws is a concurrent power, shared by the states and the national government. Article VI of the Constitution, however, makes the National government the supreme lawmaker:
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof . . . . . . . shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.
All I have heard along these lines is that some democrat lawmaker in Texas was introducing such legislation. Lots of luck with that.
There is plenty of precedent for a president to send Federal troops into a state, or to just Federalize the state's NG, to see that Federal law is upheld when the states refuse to do so. See Orval Faubus and DD Eisenhower in Little Rock, Arkansas, and George Wallace and LBJohnson in Alabama.
The actions of the Sheriffs are purely symbolic. They may indeed refuse to uphold Federal law, and I applaud them for their stand. I agree with the statements of defiance they are making.
When it comes down to the nut-cutting, though, the Federal government already has the Constitutional authority to come into a state and uphold/enforce Federal law.
I wonder where that puts the highly respected position of County Constable. Constables in Texas are a very effective Lawman, elected in ther precinct, but funded by county commisioners.
To see where this sort of corruption of power leads we need look just to the south of the Rio Bravo.
To see where this sort of corruption of power leads we need look just to the south of the Rio Bravo.
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That is so true. Sadly most people believe that slavery was the main issue of the Civil War, but it was States Rights.
Smitty357
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Pray for peace and prepare for war.
Those Sheriffs may wind up with one heck of a heavily armed and unruly posse if the Feds come waltzin' into town.
The FEMA brown shirts may get right familiar with how Custer felt up there on the Greasy Grass if they ain't careful.
The FEMA brown shirts may get right familiar with how Custer felt up there on the Greasy Grass if they ain't careful.
Yea...Purty sure somebody said that bout 1861......
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keith44spl
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Jest to put a little more spin to all this....
One of the small local SOs I work with had just this last year received a couple dozen M-16 A-2 from a federal grant program.
An are issued out to each road deputy and detective squad.
Jest wonder how the special police plans to deal with this means of possible federally outfitted opposition?
Makes a feller scratch is head in amazement, don't it.
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Jest to put a little more spin to all this....
One of the small local SOs I work with had just this last year received a couple dozen M-16 A-2 from a federal grant program.
An are issued out to each road deputy and detective squad.
Jest wonder how the special police plans to deal with this means of possible federally outfitted opposition?
Makes a feller scratch is head in amazement, don't it.
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keith44spl
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The answer is simple, and just a key stroke away...drones equipped with Hellfires.
Man O Man, shur would hate to see the day that might come to pass.
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jlrhiner
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Our Sherrif in my county has been an upstanding guy, and conducts his department very professionally. If he called, I'd go.
We're mostly all like-minded here. Others better smell the coffee. I'm nothing and nobody, but I'm not a subject or slave. I have a brain and am not one of the sheeple. I pray that I never have to personally defend myself and what this country was founded on, but if I do, it will be done without a blink of an eye. I don't care what clothing the "legal terrorist" has on. Should they push, they will start a serious chess game. I aim to behave, but I WILL aim to mis-behave should it become necessary. My boots will ALWAYS stay on......period. Whatever entity that might read this post and consider action against my god-given rights should ask themselves if they to would like to have a nice supper with their family and loved ones tonight. Just being fair........
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Remember 1861-1865. The Federal Government proved then that it is supreme and in the 1950 and 1960 it proved it again. The only thing different now is that the Federal Government has more power. Larry
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I'd suggest if I were a sheriff, rather than baiting the Feds, I'd keep quiet and just do my job (according to the Constitution).
I remember in the 70's when the Feds ordered the speed limit be reduced to 55 the states were told to do so or lose Federal $. Then they sent us (LEO) out to enforce it. Amazing how people obeyed that law. I never found anyone doing between 55 and 70, they were always at the speed limit or well over 75.
I remember in the 70's when the Feds ordered the speed limit be reduced to 55 the states were told to do so or lose Federal $. Then they sent us (LEO) out to enforce it. Amazing how people obeyed that law. I never found anyone doing between 55 and 70, they were always at the speed limit or well over 75.
Same here.
I remember in the 70's when the Feds ordered the speed limit be reduced to 55 the states were told to do so or lose Federal $. Then they sent us (LEO) out to enforce it. Amazing how people obeyed that law. I never found anyone doing between 55 and 70, they were always at the speed limit or well over 75.
Wyoming's law made it a violation for wasting fuel, rather than a moving violation and didn't go on their driving record.
I took an oath as a Peace Officer, not a gas cop.
I never did write a ticket for anything under the pre-existing speed limits.
Wyoming's law made it a violation for wasting fuel, rather than a moving violation and didn't go on their driving record.
I took an oath as a Peace Officer, not a gas cop.
I never did write a ticket for anything under the pre-existing speed limits.
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Yeppers, I never wote a speeding ticket either...but then again, I was never a local uniformed type.
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Lord love him.... in January this year, State Representative Joe Carr, from Tennessee's 48th District filed House Bill 0042, that would charge any Federal agent with a Class A Misdemeanor for enforcing or attempting to enforce a federal law, statute, rule, regulation or executive order that bans, restricts or requires the registration of any semi automatic firearm, firearm accessory or ammunition.
http://www.tn.gov/attorneygeneral/op/2013/op13-14.pdf
Unfortunately, in February this opinion on House Bill 0042 indicates such would violate the Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution.
http://www.tn.gov/attorneygeneral/op/2013/op13-14.pdf
http://www.tn.gov/attorneygeneral/op/2013/op13-14.pdf
Unfortunately, in February this opinion on House Bill 0042 indicates such would violate the Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution.
http://www.tn.gov/attorneygeneral/op/2013/op13-14.pdf
keith44spl
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We all know that there's a hell of a lot of open range between being in
violation of a statute and ever bein' convicted of same.
Officer discretion is always in play...Sometimes ya jest can't make a case.
Why would a County Sheriff or state law enforcement officer want to get his
teat caught in the wringer trying to enforce the federal code, when
federal prosecutors turn their nose's up at it...Unless of course you've got
it all wrapped up and tied with a nice neat bow for em.
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violation of a statute and ever bein' convicted of same.
Officer discretion is always in play...Sometimes ya jest can't make a case.
Why would a County Sheriff or state law enforcement officer want to get his
teat caught in the wringer trying to enforce the federal code, when
federal prosecutors turn their nose's up at it...Unless of course you've got
it all wrapped up and tied with a nice neat bow for em.
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Doe anyone find it interesting that the Feds will sue states and sheriffs for enforcing (or trying to) immingration laws, or tellling them they do not have the power to enforce Federal immigration law, but must enforce proposed gun laws that have not been passed yet??????
Citizens don't think like lawyers, and they usually aren't even much in the way of historians. There would be a lot of people here in Indiana (and I suspect elsewhere) who will not take at all kindly to having their duly-elected Sheriff scooped up by federal agents and hauled away as a result of some disagreement over misguided gun-control schemes. I'd bet that could turn really ugly pretty quickly. The big boys ought to think this through. Pray that everyone decides to take a step back, and a deep breath - or two. There are other ways to settle this dispute, if it comes to that.
model70hunter
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One has to love history and the lessons to be learned, unless one is a professional politician. Stalin and Adolf both used their respective federal powers to reduce any chance of folks standing up and saying no on an equal playing field.
It is oft quoted from our revolution, we either hang together or we hang separately.
I was reading an article on our Revolution and made a comment to my wife that the leaders of the colonies were the ones that made this happen and they were the ones who stood to lose the most if we were defeated.
My wife asked what would you do if we were in the revolution? I said I'd go fight. She said we have a paid for farm and lots of things. I said yes, if we did not fight we would have nothing and our children would have nothing. Freedom is the single most important gift one can have.
It is oft quoted from our revolution, we either hang together or we hang separately.
I was reading an article on our Revolution and made a comment to my wife that the leaders of the colonies were the ones that made this happen and they were the ones who stood to lose the most if we were defeated.
My wife asked what would you do if we were in the revolution? I said I'd go fight. She said we have a paid for farm and lots of things. I said yes, if we did not fight we would have nothing and our children would have nothing. Freedom is the single most important gift one can have.
