Shield .45 appendix carry

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I have a cheap inside waistband holster that I'm using. I believe newer types have an offset belt clip to make the package slimmer. Also newer styles make it possible for the grip to ride higher for a better draw. I've been doing searches and can't seem to find the combination of offset clip and the grip riding higher.
 
Appendix carry…also known as blow yer own nuts off carry. If you miss yer nuts, you will probably hit your femoral artery.

All the cool kids and operators are doing it though. The first rule of gun safety is to always point the gun in a safe direction and at what you want to destroy except in the case of AIWB carry it seems. Point an unloaded brand new out of the gun case pistol at someone on at a gunshop and everyone gets upset starts ducking for cover. Point a gun at your manhood and femoral artery for hours a day everyday, and it's acceptable in the firearm community go figure. I digress....
/END_RANT

Sorry OP, I'll keep an eye out for you. Hopefully you find what you're looking for.
 
I carry a Shield .45 in my waistband, right side, between the belt buckle and front pocket, so I guess that is appendix carry. I carry pretty much every gun in the same place same way.

My requirement for a holster is the clip must hold on like grim death. Sometimes I wear a belt, sometimes not.

I’m not sure what kind of holster suits your needs. If you exercise basic gun-handling care your genitalia and arteries should remain unperforated. Its not that difficult.
 

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Google Vedder holsters.
This is my 9mm S&W EZ pistol that I carry AIWB.
It has adjustments that allow you to raise the holster on your belt and and different cant adjustments.
 

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I carry a Shield .45 in my waistband, right side, between the belt buckle and front pocket, so I guess that is appendix carry. I carry pretty much every gun in the same place same way.

My requirement for a holster is the clip must hold on like grim death. Sometimes I wear a belt, sometimes not.

I’m not sure what kind of holster suits your needs. If you exercise basic gun-handling care your genitalia and arteries should remain unperforated. Its not that difficult.

Exactly. An idiot will shoot themselves no matter the holster, but somehow everyone always seems to spout the story "You'll shoot yer nuts off" as soon as anyone mentions appendix carry.

Good thing only one vendor makes holsters to carry like that, huh?

What would these people do, wet themselves, if they carried in an upside down shoulder rig with the barrel pointed at the side of their head?
I can already hear "You'll blow yer ear off"

Or "If you miss your ear, you will probably hit your carotid artery"

smh
 
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I've bought kydex IWB and OWB holsters which have the identical "multiple adjustment" features (carry height and cant) to those described by Execpro. Tulster made mine. I use those holsters for my 9mm and 40S&W Shields (a single holster will fit both the 9mm and 40S&W). Unfortunately, I cannot find this type of holster for the S&W Shield 45s. Nor for my 45 cal M&P Compacts.
 
Appendix carry…also known as blow yer own nuts off carry. If you miss yer nuts, you will probably hit your femoral artery.

As a former volunteer EMT with 26 years experience, I can't to this day understand why someone with any intelligence would allow the muzzle of their own pistol to be pointed at their own privates and/or one of the five (5) major arteries in the human body, especially if they know and UNDERSTAND the four basic rules of firearm safety!

1. Treat all firearms as if they are always loaded.
2. Never let the muzzle point at anything that you are not willing to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target and you have made the decision to shoot.
4. Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

I've heard people say it's faster, easier to re-holster, etc...but if your situational awareness (aka, brain) is functioning correctly, you'll see and assess potential danger before it gets so close that you have to be 'fast'!

Be smart, pay attention to your surrounds, assess and identify risk, take appropriate measures to egress, seek shelter, or defend yourself before it becomes a 'surprise'.

Strong-hand, OWB, 4:00 position for me...that way I can protect my pistol (aka, furtherest distance from aggressor) when I blade someone for safety.
 
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As a former volunteer EMT with 26 years experience, I can't to this day understand why someone with any intelligence would allow the muzzle of their own pistol to be pointed at their own privates and/or one of the five (5) major arteries in the human body, especially if they know and UNDERSTAND the four basic rules of firearm safety!

1. Treat all firearms as if they are always loaded.
2. Never let the muzzle point at anything that you are not willing to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target and you have made the decision to shoot.
4. Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

I've heard people say it's faster, easier to re-holster, etc...but if your situational awareness (aka, brain) is functioning correctly, you'll see and assess potential danger before it gets so close that you have to be 'fast'!

Be smart, pay attention to your surrounds, assess and identify risk, take appropriate measures to egress, seek shelter, or defend yourself before it becomes a 'surprise'.

Strong-hand, OWB, 4:00 position for me...that way I can protect my pistol (aka, furtherest distance from aggressor) when I blade someone for safety.

Something to think about while you are bleeding out with your jimmies splattered inside your underwear.
 
Yes, and "idiot" may shoot themselves no matter what holster they're wearing, but you're more likely to survive a leg or butt shot than a penal or major artery shot.

Even still, we are all human, and I've seen many cases where longtime experienced and trained gun owners, law enforcement, competitive shooters, and even firearm instructors who had a negligent and accidental discharges unexpectedly. All of the aforementioned thought it would never happen to them, those it happened to were idiots, and their proof was that they went years to decades without any issues because they knew better. No one is perfect, and Murphy's Law is a reality which is why we have these common gun safer rules in place.

Appendix carry goes against gun safety rules that are universally accepted and agreed upon. Period. There's no way to come up with a logical argument to the contrary.
 
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Yes, and "idiot" may shoot themselves no matter what holster they're wearing, but you're more likely to survive a leg or butt shot than a penal or major artery shot.

Even still, we are all human, and I've seen many cases where longtime experienced and trained gun owners, law enforcement, competitive shooters, and even firearm instructors who had a negligent and accidental discharges unexpectedly. All of the aforementioned thought it would never happen to them, those it happened to were idiots, and their proof was that they went years to decades without any issues because they knew better. No one is perfect, and Murphy's Law is a reality which is why we have these common gun safer rules in place.

Appendix carry goes against gun safety rules that are universally accepted and agreed upon. Period. There's no way to come up with a logical argument to the contrary.

Yet, when people hear they want to ban AR 15 because kids were killed in a shooting- Its sited how infrequently it happens, and how few deaths are from long guns bla bla bla.....

Oh- think I just heard on the news that another person shot themselves in the "Penal region"- you also seem to know a LOT of people shooting themselves. Maybe you should look into maybe hanging around a different crowd. Are they all carrying appendix?

Carry how you want, and leave others alone to do the same.
Sound like a plan?
 
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Yet, when people hear they want to ban AR 15 because kids were killed in a shooting- Its sited how infrequently it happens, and how few deaths are from long guns bla bla bla, and how we are going to have a civil war if they just TRY that!

Oh- think I just heard on the news that another person shot themselves in the "Penal region"- you also seem to know a LOT of people shooting themselves. Maybe you should look into maybe hanging around a different crowd. Are they all carrying appendix?

Carry how you want, and leave others alone to do the same.
Sound like a plan?

Is your retort really that firearm safety pratices shouldn't need to be followed because murders with long guns are infrequent and negligent and accidental discharges are also infrequent? With all due respect and I'm not trying to be rude, but that makes absolutely zero sense. Wanting to ban all AR15s from everyone because a small percentage used it illegal is one thing. Using that as a rationale and excuse to advocate for personal reckless and unsafe behaviors that may put oneself and/or others at higher risk of injury or death is something completely different.

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Your argument is because negligent discharges and accidental discharges happen infrequently, the above firearm safety rules do NOT need to be followed?
 
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YCarry how you want, and leave others alone to do the same.

I have not said others cannot carry how they want. I have merely pointed out the risk involved with appendix carry. If people want to risk blowing their wedding tackle off, fine by me. It will help remove those with poor judgment from the gene pool.
 
In the meantime:

One of the better (and still relatively inexpensive!) Appendix Carry holsters on the market can be found by searching JMK AIWB.
Many like them, and the only one that I know that is substantially worth more "might" be the 5-Shot SME.
 
I like most of you guys but at times some of you are like a bunch of Neanderthals running around with an atlatl. CCW tactics will continue to evolve... ask anyone who shoots one-handed while reminding everyone else that it's a "handgun" and not a "handsgun"

There's way too many people who think everyone else has to do things exactly the way they do it.

The reality is that all holster locations carry the risk of self-inflicted death in the event of a negligent discharge or an uncomanded discharge. Yes, I'd rather take a bullet in a butt cheek than in my crotch however both appendix and strong side carry run the risk of hitting a femoral artery or a round bouncing around in the pelvis.

If you don't trust yourself with a firearm, or you don't have good reason to trust the safety of a particular design, or you dont trust a particular firearm, then you shouldn't be carrying that firearm in any position, especially with a round in the chamber.

The appendix carry position offers compelling advantages
- The gun is significantly more easy to conceal under normal everyday clothing.
- The gun is secured in a substantially more defensible area
- You don't have to put a hand behind your back while someone is attacking you
- The gun can be easily drawn while seated and from awkward positions

One of the more ridiculous things to me is the people who have an EDC rotation of guns and knives but usually don't carry any of it. An M&P Shield, POM OC spray, and a Spyderco knife go everywhere I go, everyday, 100% of the time, unless prohibited by law. Even during Thanksgiving dinner surrounded by anti-gun dems, I carried concealed and I wasn't discovered. Most of you who carry strong side could not do the same.

For some body types, strong side carry simply does not work, especially with normal cloths where concealment is a priority.

With a gun that's of a proper design for carry, in good working order, in a proper holster, and carried by someone who's competent and practices a lot, appendix carry can be safe.
 
I have not said others cannot carry how they want. I have merely pointed out the risk involved with appendix carry. If people want to risk blowing their wedding tackle off, fine by me. It will help remove those with poor judgment from the gene pool.

There is risk with EVERYTHING firearm related is all Im trying to say....

and my AR analogy was only meant to show that people use crazy reasons to justify ANYTHING....

Ive read about way more people shooting themselves in the thigh then in the nutz.

Read post number 20 if you haven't.
Then read this, and then you can go and cherry pick one the other way...
Debunking the Myths of Appendix Carry - Guns and Ammo
 
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Let's stop trying to claim that the risk are the same because it's being disingenuous. We all agree that there is a risk, but what some purposely are being intellectually dishonest about as a means to support their preference is that the risk of injury and/or death is far greater with AIWB carry vs other methods.

The logical reason why one might see more thigh shots than AIWB shots is because AIWB carry is no where near as common as 3-5 o'clock carry and even pocket carry. That comparison is just another fallacy. Next, I've seen several times more negligent and accidental discharges that happened while a gun was in the holster that did NOT result in the person carrying the firearm being hit. I can't say the same has ever been true to my knowledge with AIWB carrier.

Like @Mike-AK states, I am not telling others they can't carry how they want. You all are grown anonymous men and it wouldn't matter what I told you to de regardless. You just can't convince me or come up with a valid reason that would make pointing a loaded firearm and an important organ and major artery sound like a good idea or a smart thing to do.

Yes, I know a small percentage of people have been killed with AR15s, others have shot themselves in the leg or butt, and appendix carry offers some benefits to some people; however, that's a strawman argument ignores the higher risk of AIWB carry.
 
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Definitely the risks are not exactly the same.

Strong-side carry = 0% chance of shooting yourself in the junk
Appendix carry = non-zero percent chance of shooting yourself in the junk

With a ND or UD, no doubt the price of failure is probably going to be higher with appendix carry.

For many of us, in many circumstances, the choice isn't between appendix or strong-side carry, it's between appendix carry or not carry at all. Strong side carry simply does not work for all body types in all situations, especially with t-shirt thickness shirts, where absolute concealment is necessary.

Beyond social inconveniences, a CCW that's printing risks making you a target, much like open carry does, if you're in a public place and there's a bad guy with a concealed gun who's about to do something bad. It could easily be the guy behind you in line at the store who's eyeballing the handle poking through your shirt.

All of these are edge case scenarios with infinitesimal probabilities.

As someone who carries appendix every day, videos like the following one scare me, but by studying them we can learn to prevent these situations.

(warning: disturbing content)

Negligent Discharge by Glock - YouTube

In the video, we see him chamber a round, we see his holstering process with a Glock, we see him bend over, and we see the ND/UD. He's using a G-code kydex holster. This is a fit individual who's wearing a tucked in undershirt and another t-shirt over it.

I've studied that video and watched it more than 100 times, including dozens of times in slow motion. In slow motion, it's clear that something briefly inhibited his holstering and then once holstered he fidgeted with it as if something felt wrong.

Lessons:

To me, it appears some clothing worked it's way into the holster and got into the trigger guard. If that's the case, if the same scenario were repeated, a manual safety would have prevented that from happening, a feature that glock doesn't offer, but is present on many other guns.

Regardless if the manual safety is present, if something feels off while reholstering, you must stop and evaluate the situation instead of simply pushing through.

The inertial trigger dingus in a glock realistically rules out the potential of the holster itself pulling the trigger due to the kydex being sunk in around the trigger guard too much. (Just think of all the Sig P320/P365 owners with holsters that pinch the trigger)

With any gun, the possibility of a mechanical defect in the gun can't be ruled out entirely. In a striker fired gun, something as simple as a defective striker return spring, plunger spring, or sear spring could potentially set up the situation for a true uncommanded discharge to happen.

Here's an example of an uncommanded discharge (not graphic, no real injuries) where a post-update Sig P320 X5 fired uncommanded while holstered OWB, in the middle of a steel match with trained witnesses. The gun and holster were not light bearing. Sig Saur admitted that it was caused by a defective striker/firing pin return spring.

My Sig P320 fired on its own in the holster and tried to shoot me! (P320 X-Five) - YouTube

Lessons:

If he was carrying IWB, especially AIWB, he certainly would have had significant injuries, at minimum.

In the event of a defective spring situation, depending on the make/model of your gun, and depending which spring, potentially not even a manual safety would prevent an uncommanded discharge. If the striker slips off the sear for any reason, the gun will fire.

It's very important that anyone who carries a gun in any position is familiar with how the internals operate and that they inspect the function of those internals on a regular basis. For example, in my new Shield Plus I discovered that the safety plunger wouldn't reset on it's own. It's at S&W now for warranty service.

These defects can and do happen and no brand is immune and no carry position is absolutely safe.

The only way to carry a gun with a zero percent chance of shooting yourself from the holster is to carry without a round in the chamber. Just know that if you carry without one in the chamber, you're putting yourself at a significant tactical disadvantage if you need to draw the gun in self defense. You'll need to become an expert at quickly chambering a round as well as have a high level of situational awareness... but that still might not be quick enough and might not give you enough advanced notice.

As civilians, we carry guns to reduce the chances of death or great bodily harm due to a 2-legged or 4-legged threat. We mitigate risk of negligent discharges by training and we can mitigate the risk of defect by understanding and inspecting the mechanical functionality of what we carry.

We can help others do the same by sharing useful knowledge.

Telling people to only carry one way or another, as many commenters above did, helps no-one because other readers will just reject the info at the onset due to their existing bias, circumstances, or needs.
 
This post was supposed to be about AIWB holster selection, not a discussion on whether or not to carry AIWB. I chose a CrossBreed AIWB hybrid holster (kydex and leather backing) for my PC Shield Plus 9mm. I later added a Clinger Cushion (pad) to the back of the holster to keep the grip frame in tight to my body. BTW- my Shield Plus has the manual safety...just because!

No matter which CCW holster type and position you choose, repetitive dry firing and training is key. Gripping and drawing the handgun, presenting the handgun, taking off the safety (if so equipped), firing, safety on, careful re-holstering. If you watch gun shows on TV (e.g. Guns and Ammo TV), you'll see their experienced shooters often drawing from AIWB when live fire training. Just sayin'.
 

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Let's stop trying to claim that the risk are the same because it's being disingenuous. We all agree that there is a risk, but what some purposely are being intellectually dishonest about as a means to support their preference is that the risk of injury and/or death is far greater with AIWB carry vs other methods.

The logical reason why one might see more thigh shots than AIWB shots is because AIWB carry is no where near as common as 3-5 o'clock carry and even pocket carry. That comparison is just another fallacy. Next, I've seen several times more negligent and accidental discharges that happened while a gun was in the holster that did NOT result in the person carrying the firearm being hit. I can't say the same has ever been true to my knowledge with AIWB carrier.

Like @Mike-AK states, I am not telling others they can't carry how they want. You all are grown anonymous men and it wouldn't matter what I told you to de regardless. You just can't convince me or come up with a valid reason that would make pointing a loaded firearm and an important organ and major artery sound like a good idea or a smart thing to do.

Yes, I know a small percentage of people have been killed with AR15s, others have shot themselves in the leg or butt, and appendix carry offers some benefits to some people; however, that's a strawman argument ignores the higher risk of AIWB carry.

Here you go. Now where do you wanna take this?

NUTSHELLZ | Our Cups are Strong Enough to Stop Bullets
 
Appendix carry…also known as blow yer own nuts off carry. If you miss yer nuts, you will probably hit your femoral artery.

Yep, nothing down range I am willing to blow off or perforate. Too many other viable choices for carry, especially with a plastic, striker-fired piece or 1911.
 
Couchpotato is bang on saying that 4 O'clock carry doesn't work for everybody. Living in the desert it tends to be about dressing for the climate, not the gun. If you are of svelte build, the only way to conceal a 4 PM gun is a jacket, a HUGE T-shirt or a "shoot me first" vest. The first gets too hot here very quickly and the latter two both trumpet you are carrying. Living here with my build it's pocket carry, some variation on appendix, or yelling for help. #3 doesn't work for me, and carrying anything like an adequate gun probably means appendix, or in my case between my belt buckle and my pocket.
 
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This post was supposed to be about AIWB holster selection, not a discussion on whether or not to carry AIWB. I chose a CrossBreed AIWB hybrid holster (kydex and leather backing) for my PC Shield Plus 9mm. I later added a Clinger Cushion (pad) to the back of the holster to keep the grip frame in tight to my body. BTW- my Shield Plus has the manual safety...just because!

No matter which CCW holster type and position you choose, repetitive dry firing and training is key. Gripping and drawing the handgun, presenting the handgun, taking off the safety (if so equipped), firing, safety on, careful re-holstering. If you watch gun shows on TV (e.g. Guns and Ammo TV), you'll see their experienced shooters often drawing from AIWB when live fire training. Just sayin'.

Thank you for your intelligent and helpful response and pics. I scrolled right past the haters, I don't wast time on them. Thanks to you I went back to the Crossbreed site and looked at 3 different holsters that might work for me. I already have a couple of their holsters but now I am getting up in years with a lifetime of injuries and surgeries and my carry options are shrinking.
 
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