Shield .45

[snowman.45]

The G36 is not a true single stack 45ACP, the bullets are not stacked straight up and down inside the magazine like a standard 1911 is. Plus the width difference is drastic between it and even the XDS. Here is a picture for comparison.

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To me it's like comparing a G26 to a G43... no contest on width and thickness of the slide.

Kahr puts out a great product but I would shy away from their lower tier CM and CW series, they are not made as well nor do they have the features of their other lines. But if you love a smooth double action revolver trigger pull it is hard to beat the triggers on any Kahr pistol no matter what tier or caliber you go with.


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I'm afraid you have the G36 and the G30 confused. The G36 is a true single-stack magazine. Each round is stacked directly over the preceeding one. When I first read your post yesterday, it caught me off guard. I actually had to go look at one of the G36 mags to be certain I wasn't mistaken. The reason for the mag being that wide is that it's constructed of polymer over some steel, as opposed to steel alone.

 

[bigoo7e]

I'm afraid you have the G36 and the G30 confused. The G36 is a true single-stack magazine. Each round is stacked directly over the presiding one. When I first read your post yesterday, it caught me off guard. I actually had to go look at one of the G36 mags to be certain I wasn't mistaken. The reason for the mag being that wide is that it's constructed of polymer over some steel, as opposed to steel alone.

Not true... here is a picture of the two mag's side by side for comparison, huge difference.



If the G36 was a true single stack gun then it would have absolutely no reason to be almost as thick as a G30. Here is another comparison between a XDS which is a true single stack 45ACP and the G36.



I don't own a 1911, but I wish someone could post or find a picture comparison between the G36, XDS and the 1911 mag's or at least the G36 and 1911. Grip thickness is very drastic between the G36 and XDS/1911.


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[snowman.45]

Not true... here is a picture of the two mag's side by side for comparison, huge difference.

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If the G36 was a true single stack gun then it would have absolutely no reason to be almost as thick as a G30. Here is another comparison between a XDS which is a true single stack 45ACP and the G36.

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I don't own a 1911, but I wish someone could post or find a picture comparison between the G36, XDS and the 1911 mag's or at least the G36 and 1911. Grip thickness is very drastic between the G36 and XDS/1911.


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I suggest you actually look at a G36 magazine and you'll see that the rounds in the magazine are directly one over the next, in a straight line with no offset. External dimensions, in this case, are deceiving. The polymer is thicker than the steel magazine. I've owned several G36 guns, so I'm speaking from experience.

 

[bigoo7e]

I suggest you actually look at a G36 magazine and you'll see that the rounds in the magazine are directly one over the next, in a straight line with no offset. External dimensions, in this case, are deceiving. The polymer is thicker than the steel magazine. I've owned several G36 guns, so I'm speaking from experience.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program, sorry everyone for getting off topic here.


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[ladder13]

Anyone see one yet ?

 

[smith46wesson]

Is the Shield 45 going to be a single stack, as in the rounds straight over each other? It seems to me the 9mm is a 1.5 stack...

Sorry, couldn't resist. Lol.

I'm not sure that a 45 Shield does much for me because I'm fine with 9mm. However, I am hoping that the new frame texture carries over to all the other M&Ps. It looks as though it will be an improvement. Perhaps they can add it to the new 15 round, 4 inch barrel M&P that so many of us would like to see...

 

[Nakanokalronin]

I hate to admit it, but I'm glad there is a lack of interest for many that already own 9mm/40 Shields. I figured as much and It means I won't have a hard time finding one.

The lack of interest in 45 handguns is also the reason I can easily find 45 ammo on the shelves and online.

As for advantages. The 45s shoot better for me and I wouldn't hesitate to use FMJ if that's all I had even though there is still a risk of over penetration. I would hesitate to use FMJ 9mm as a defense round.

The grip texture is more aggressive and there is more of it than before so I'm not sure why anyone would say that it's going to be a handful and slip. My M&P FS45 has been the softest shooting 45 I've owned and I think I've owned about 30 different 45s from all of the major brands out there. I expect the 45 Shield to be the softest shooting 45 in it's class.

My twin FS45s are going to get a baby brother pretty soon.

 

[Bishop99]

I want to wait until the 45 shield is out a while before I buy one. But I think that won't happen for me. My other shields are crying for thier big brother to come home. Who am I to separate a family? I'm a sucker for happy endings.

 

[.41fan]

I was wondering when Smith would get around to this model. I've been tempted several times with other brands but have waited, looks like finally I will have my wishes rewarded. At the age of 57 how the sights line up and the feel and the way the weapon points are important to me, but am betting they are going to be fine. If this works out it's time to break out the Lyman press and start looking for a suitable bench again.

 

[RGVshooter]

Is the Shield 45 going to be a single stack, as in the rounds straight over each other? It seems to me the 9mm is a 1.5 stack...

It's going to be a staggered design & shipped with one 7rnd & one 6rnd mag... to the best of my knowledge the reasoning behind the staggered design helps prevent the rounds from popping out of the mag in case the user just drops a loose mag in his pocket. Also it allows a manufactuer to jam in one extra round in a magazine that is shorter in height when compared to a single stack mag with the same number of rounds...

 

[bigoo7e]

It's going to be a staggered design & shipped with one 7rnd & one 6rnd mag... to the best of my knowledge the reasoning behind the staggered design helps prevent the rounds from popping out of the mag in case the user just drops a loose mag in his pocket. Also it allows a manufactuer to jam in one extra round in a magazine that is shorter in height when compared to a single stack mag with the same number of rounds...

Well if S&W does this in their magazine design it may cause it to be to thick and be a wide or wider than even a Glock 36. Can anyone else confirm this design?


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[Tdsjfb]

Well if S&W does this in their magazine design it may cause it to be to thick and be a wide or wider than even a Glock 36. Can anyone else confirm this design?


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45 Shield is .99 wide vs. Glock 36 (Gen 4) 1.10

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[bunkshaner]

I was going to buy a 9mm shield this summer (carry concealed full size .45 m&p everyday now). But after finding out about the .45 shield I'm glad I held off. I had considered even going to a Springfield .45 xd mod 2 for concealed carry. But if the .45 shield feels like the 9mm shield I will be happy.

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[ladder13]

I'd like to see a NS 45 from the get go.

 

[Nakanokalronin]

I wonder which sear it will use, 9 or 45? I have an extra Apex sear for each in my parts bin so I'm covered either way, but I'm curious nonetheless.

 

[kmanick]

I'm kind of surprised S&W went this small with it, I would think a .45 the same size as the 9C would've been small enough?

 

[Rastoff]

I'm kind of surprised S&W went this small with it, I would think a .45 the same size as the 9C would've been small enough?

You're not paying close enough attention. People buy Shield 9mm guns all the time because the 9c is too big. I think they made the right move, but I'll have to shoot the 45 before I can say it's the right pistol.

The 9mm Shield is great. I hope the 45 lives up to its reputation.

 

[kmanick]

You're not paying close enough attention. People buy Shield 9mm guns all the time because the 9c is too big. I think they made the right move, but I'll have to shoot the 45 before I can say it's the right pistol.

The 9mm Shield is great. I hope the 45 lives up to its reputation.

No I'm paying attention, my EDC is a shield, I'm just saying a .45 the same size as a 9C probably would've been 'good enough" for a lot of people that are interested in a smaller .45
Believe me it's on my watch list of "want to haves"

 

[Holmes375]

....I'm just saying a .45 the same size as a 9C probably would've been 'good enough" for a lot of people that are interested in a smaller .45....

I doubt it. I own a 9c, quite like it. But I'd certainly have no interest in a 9c-sized 45 over the current 45 compact.

The Shield 45 is a whole 'nuther critter in terms of everyday carry inside the waistband. I carry the 9c quite a bit during the cooler seasons and winter season. My Shield 9mm is noticeably easier and more comfortable to carry. The paper dimensions so often quoted don't truly illustrate the real world difference in ease of concealed carry. The single stacks (or lightly staggered versions like the Shields) are simply much nicer to slip inside the waistband. And that's what people are buying them for.

 

[Bad_Andy]

I see it hasn't been added to the CA roster yet. I wonder if they have plans for a CA model? I love my Shield 9, but would be interested in the .45