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shield 8 rounds in a 7 round mag
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Rastoff
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If you want to make modifications that have potential reliability issues, go ahead. I won't.
Based on the mythology in today's defensive gun society that says more rounds is better, don't you think S&W would have tried this? Wouldn't an 8 round mag sell better than a 7 round? No, I think 7+1 is enough. But hey, different strokes...
Based on the mythology in today's defensive gun society that says more rounds is better, don't you think S&W would have tried this? Wouldn't an 8 round mag sell better than a 7 round? No, I think 7+1 is enough. But hey, different strokes...
Protected One
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I agree 100%. I have a hard and fast rule of not using any product in a manner other than what it was designed for. That applies doubly to firearms! Yes, it survived your one week compression and the firing of 12 magazines. How would you feel after the 11th month of carry if it then failed at your time of need?
My solution to having more rounds?.....I carry a Shield 9mm with an 8 round magazine. That makes more sense to me.
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My thoughts are:
If they're your mags do as you wish.
I wouldn't on my mags. While they may work OK initially, they may develop feed issues as the springs weaken with use. For 1 extra round when perfectly good 8's already exist (and included), the risk isn't worth it to me.
Here in CA, it's very tough to get the 10th round in the factory 10 round mags for the FS and Compact. Many people clip a link off the spring and lightly trim the follower. Not enough to allow 11 (that would be a felony). That's very little off a very long spring.
On the Shield, 5 links seems quite a bit.
If they're your mags do as you wish.
I wouldn't on my mags. While they may work OK initially, they may develop feed issues as the springs weaken with use. For 1 extra round when perfectly good 8's already exist (and included), the risk isn't worth it to me.
Here in CA, it's very tough to get the 10th round in the factory 10 round mags for the FS and Compact. Many people clip a link off the spring and lightly trim the follower. Not enough to allow 11 (that would be a felony). That's very little off a very long spring.
On the Shield, 5 links seems quite a bit.
Rastoff
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Yes, but neither does owning a gun and a camera make them instantly wrong.
My position, as always, on stuff like this is to verify. It seems logical that S&W would have made their mags 8 rounds if they could. However, it doesn't mean they actually tested it with 8 rounds.
I'm not saying this won't work, just that it seems a little sketchy.
My position, as always, on stuff like this is to verify. It seems logical that S&W would have made their mags 8 rounds if they could. However, it doesn't mean they actually tested it with 8 rounds.
I'm not saying this won't work, just that it seems a little sketchy.
He's another guy with a gun, camera, and computer. The internet is full of those type clowns.
At the beginning he commented that he left the mags loaded for an entire week as if leaving a mag loaded for a whole week as if that is a real torture test.
Mag springs are often stiff for a reason so they'll function in adverse conditions when it really matters. These internet commandos and range rats aren't the guys who do real torture tests. How does his modified mag work when dirty? When an auto malfunctions the #1 reason is to check for a defective mag.
At the beginning he commented that he left the mags loaded for an entire week as if leaving a mag loaded for a whole week as if that is a real torture test.
Mag springs are often stiff for a reason so they'll function in adverse conditions when it really matters. These internet commandos and range rats aren't the guys who do real torture tests. How does his modified mag work when dirty? When an auto malfunctions the #1 reason is to check for a defective mag.
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andrewcdub
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IMO, If you want more than 7-8 rounds out of the shield that's what they make the 9c for.
Rastoff
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ispcapt,
I agree that this particular video is of questionable validity. Still, I don't just discount what he says because it's on youtube. I'll listen, evaluate what they said and then make a decision.
In this case, I think you're right. Certainly a week of being compressed is not a test on spring compression. Also, shooting 100 rounds is not a test of the reliability of this mod. Further, he didn't really test 100 rounds because he used multiple mags. At best he put 50 rounds through each mag.
I would want 10 times that just to say that it might be OK. Then I'd run the gun through a pistol class or two which would include at least 650 rounds each. Then I might consider it OK.
Or you could just use what S&W made and tested.
I agree that this particular video is of questionable validity. Still, I don't just discount what he says because it's on youtube. I'll listen, evaluate what they said and then make a decision.
In this case, I think you're right. Certainly a week of being compressed is not a test on spring compression. Also, shooting 100 rounds is not a test of the reliability of this mod. Further, he didn't really test 100 rounds because he used multiple mags. At best he put 50 rounds through each mag.
I would want 10 times that just to say that it might be OK. Then I'd run the gun through a pistol class or two which would include at least 650 rounds each. Then I might consider it OK.
Or you could just use what S&W made and tested.
I don't understand . . . In Missouri, the 10th round goes into the factory 10 round mags for the FS and Compact without issue. Do you think it's the time zone, the proximity to the ocean, or the prolific anti-gun culture that keeps that 10th round from loading properly?
I agree, if Smith could have made the gun hold more rounds, and still be dependable in the same mag they would have done it,
It would be a plus for them.
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I don't understand . . . In Missouri, the 10th round goes into the factory 10 round mags for the FS and Compact without issue. Do you think it's the time zone, the proximity to the ocean, or the prolific anti-gun culture that keeps that 10th round from loading properly?
Maybe a bit of all of them. I can load #10 by hand but not with Uplula.
Why would you use 10 round mags? I thought Missouri had no mag limit.
touchoneoff
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Just as posted above, I would not do this because S&W did not design it with a magazine holding that many rounds. Interesting, but not advisable.
Not to second guess....(My backround has been in quality for nearly 40 years). Some of that time spent on quality testing. I assume product cycle life testing was done at the various mag loads, and as such reliability data would indicate the safest factor for this parameter. Just saying.....
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Gee, I would settle for being able to get 7 rounds into my Shield's 7 round magazine and then getting it to seat in the gun without pounding it into the mag well in a way that makes me look like I am wrestling with the gun. The problem does not exist with my 8-round magazine.
Strangely, this problem affects some Shield owners and not others. So there is probably an inconsistency in the length of the mag springs that is causing the variability of the problem.
Strangely, this problem affects some Shield owners and not others. So there is probably an inconsistency in the length of the mag springs that is causing the variability of the problem.
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It doesn't. You have as few or as many as you would like. Sarcasm doesn't always translate in print . . .
