Shield 9 vs 9c

[MP1SG]

Hi
Hope all my forum friends had a Very Merry Christmas.
If you have been reading my posts you will see where I have been torn between my 9c and shield 9. For a while my EDC was a shield 9, That is until recent active shooters, have made me switch to the 9c. I am aware that most shootings are 2.5 rounds and the Shield will be ample. But it sure does feel good to know I have 12 rounds backed up by another 12 round mag. So now i find myself back to the Shield and trying to justify in my warped mind that the shield will be able to handle any situation. Furthermore I am totally aware that shart tactics sharp shooting and a sharp mind are key in a gunfight survival. I DO NOT EVER wish to be in a active shooter situation But i want to feel comfortable If i do encounter on I will be confident in my shield (and i am ). I realize that i would be better off If i was able to pack a M4 type weapon but thats not praccticle.
I jad some work done on my shield by Lou @ Business end customs. He did a nice trigger job, Slide melt and the Tactical Grey creakot. I will send some pis to M&P freak and hopefully he will post them.

Like many on this forum I have many many handguns to choose from for EDC. 5 glocks 5 sigs a few Berettas and 4 M&Ps and countless revolvers . But recently the Shield 9 has been my EDC, with a spare mag Sometime 2
Thanks
1SG
Out

 

[M&P Freak]

Here are the pictures:

Looks great!

 

[snubbyfan]

Looks good, enjoy.

 

[MP1SG]

Thanks
Lou does great work and reasonable priced and a pleasure to deal with. This is my second M&P and currently i have my Glock 19 being worked on for my wife. A grip reduction trigger job and 10-8 sights wth the front in fiber optic. Those pic will follow soon
Thanks again M&Pfreak

 

[sharpshooterassassin]

I keep my 9c by my nightstand and my 9mm Shield is my CCW.

 

[Maddmax]

I still like my FS 9 for carry and my 9 Shield or 9c is a nice BUG.

 

[robkarrob]

I never leave the house without my Shield 40. I did not carry the extra mag until the Colorado movie shootings. I am now carrying the extra mag, which gives me 13 plus the one in the chamber. The problem is the extra weight. With my wallet, cell phone, Shield 40, and the extra mag, the weight is 2 1/2 pounds (40ounces). Glad the Shield is a sub-compact as my fully loaded Springfield XD45, by itself, weighs 39 ounces, without any extra mags. It holds 13 plus the one in the chamber.

Bob

 

[RussC]

Pepper Spray vs Extra Magazine

I never leave the house without my Shield 40. I did not carry the extra mag until the Colorado movie shootings. I am now carrying the extra mag, which gives me 13 plus the one in the chamber. The problem is the extra weight. With my wallet, cell phone, Shield 40, and the extra mag, the weight is 2 1/2 pounds (40ounces). Glad the Shield is a sub-compact as my fully loaded Springfield XD45, by itself, weighs 39 ounces, without any extra mags. It holds 13 plus the one in the chamber.

Bob

Rob

A gunfight from my research is less than 7 yards and over in 3 seconds. (Less than the time it took you to read to this point of my post when I say YOUR DEAD)

If you were unable to place a hit in center mass before you finished reading my first paragraph from a distance of your living room and you are not yet hit you need in my opinion to reach for the pepper spray rather than an extra magazine because you will for sure either take a hit with a bullet or fist as you attempt to insert the magazine.

If the pepper spray misses it was your time to go.

Russ

 

[robkarrob]

RussC reply

I normally hit what I aim at, sharpshooter for my Department. But the shooter at the movie theater had:

"James Eagan Holmes, 24, legally bought the four weapons he allegedly used. Police said he opened fire in the suburban Denver theater with four sold-out showings of the premiere of the Batman movie Dark Knight Rises. He was dressed head-to-toe in black bullet-proof gear, including helmet, vest, leggings and a groin and throat protector. He wore a gas mask, goggles and black gloves."

He has several handguns and an AR15 style weapon with lots of ammunition.


So even though I am accurate and reasonably calm, that doesn't mean I can get a shot to even slow him down. Remember the first rule is to protect yourself, as you can't help anyone if you go down. Maybe attack the legs/feet/ or side/back of his neck area, to get him down. Remember this was inside a movie theater and you would be facing much greater distances than a normal SD situation. If I was able to wound him, I would try to move in closer to end the situation. All of this is pure speculation. Having only seven rounds for my Shield 40 would put me and others at a great disadvantage.

I am aware of the SD statistics.

1. Under three total rounds fired.
2. Inside of 10 yards and likely closer than that

So as I stated earlier, I NOW carry a backup mag. If you still think that no backup mag is needed, that is your prerogative. Mine is to not overestimate my abilities and underestimate my adversary.

Bob

 

[Smitty357]

Rob:

U should look into getting a lower leg or sort of ankle holster for ur extra mag. It will keep the extra weight from ur upper body, pockets etc, as well as still leave ur mag accessible when u need it.

 

[RussC]

Rob:

U should look into getting a lower leg or sort of ankle holster for ur extra mag. It will keep the extra weight from ur upper body, pockets etc, as well as still leave ur mag accessible when u need it.

I found an ankle magazine holder for 2 magazines made of neoprene with Velcro. The maker is Desanti for $28 on la gear website.

I have struggled with this body armor issue and that is one reason I am thinking about packing pepper spray in one ankle pouch and a second magazine in the second pouch.

If a gunman comes with body armor like the theater and elementary shooting pepper spray even when wearing a gas mask like the theater shooting will slow the person down when it makes contact with the skin.

For $9 on Amazon I picked up 35 blasts of cs military tear gas/red pepper from Sabre which is used by NYPD. It has a range of 8 ft. If you go bear spray you can up the distance to 25 ft. Downside bear spray is bulky.

The spray comes with a Velcro strap for jogging. I bike a lot so I am thinking about strapping the spray on my handlebars for those aggressive dogs that chase me.

Russ

 

[Chuck Jones]

a) if you cary a semi-auto you should carry a spare magazine not so much for the ammo, but because in a malfunction it's part of getting the gun running.

b) body armor (and this is greatly overblown) simply means you shoot head or pelvis

/c

 

[dpowers311]

I have been undecided also. I would love to have a full size CC but can't carry the extra weight unless I go shoulder holster but that is not me.

We have a lot of LEO's and ex-military on here who have experience with body armor. Please answer this for me. Even if someone is wearing body armor and gets hit it's going to hurt and distract, going to absorb the energy, break ribs and knock the wind out of you.

Dave

 

[RussC]

I did some more research on pepper sprays after my last post. I am not convinced my 8 ft range aerosol spray is the way to go along side my Shield. 8 ft is too close and wind and aerosol is not good as mentioned in this link.

There are some cool police pepper spray guns that send the agent in a more contained mass over aerosol 7 yards at 270 mph but the cost is about what a low end 9mm costs.

Neat idea having a pepper spray gun that can reach out to 7 yards traveling 270 mph and in a more contained mass thus reducing issues with wind but darnit $300 is too rich for the general public. No wonder only law enforcement can afford jet propelled pepper guns.

Russ

 

[robkarrob]

When I was on the job, probably 90% of the street cops wore a vest, including me. They were not required in my department, only recommended. The newer vests offer near 360 degrees of upper body protection and are light, but can be very hot. They don't breathe. A few guys got on the job testing and they work. They said it hurts like hell, like someone hit you full force with a hammer. You do get a serious bruise, but no penetration. I have seen videos of different calibers results. The 40 and 45 hit harder than the 9mm, but there is no knockdown in any of them, just a myth. They will also stop a knife.

Pepper spray does not always work. Sometimes it just makes them more hostile. It is supposed to partially interfer with their breathing, but that often does not work if you can't get a direct shot at the mouth/nose area. They all shoot a narrow stream, don't know about 250 mph. It goes out like hornet spray. It does burn the eyes and make them water badly. The problem is where you use it. Confined areas no, it will affect you also. Up wind a big no no. The tasers are similar, sometimes you get good contact and they work, and other times nothing. I've used both and not sold on either. But they are both better than hand to hand. They are far better than the nightstick or KelLite, which can cause serious damage. I personally have never seen lasting effects from either. I've read and seen TV reports about heart attacks, etc., with the tasers.

Bob

 

[RussC]

When I was on the job, probably 90% of the street cops wore a vest, including me. They were not required in my department, only recommended. The newer vests offer near 360 degrees of upper body protection and are light, but can be very hot. They don't breathe. A few guys got on the job testing and they work. They said it hurts like hell, like someone hit you full force with a hammer. You do get a serious bruise, but no penetration. I have seen videos of different calibers results. The 40 and 45 hit harder than the 9mm, but there is no knockdown in any of them, just a myth. They will also stop a knife.

Pepper spray does not always work. Sometimes it just makes them more hostile. It is supposed to partially interfer with their breathing, but that often does not work if you can't get a direct shot at the mouth/nose area. They all shoot a narrow stream, don't know about 250 mph. It goes out like hornet spray. It does burn the eyes and make them water badly. The problem is where you use it. Confined areas no, it will affect you also. Up wind a big no no. The tasers are similar, sometimes you get good contact and they work, and other times nothing. I've used both and not sold on either. But they are both better than hand to hand. They are far better than the nightstick or KelLite, which can cause serious damage. I personally have never seen lasting effects from either. I've read and seen TV reports about heart attacks, etc., with the tasers.

Bob

Bob

Thanks

We had a local news anchor's son in Utah die from a taser, very sad. I have also read if a person is high on drugs pepper spray may not work.

It is crazy both the theater and elementary shooting involved a gunman wearing armor.

I realize it is rare and if one comes into our place of work suited up with armor at least we will have advanced knowledge it is not a robbery.

Maybe an extra magazine makes sense.

Russ

 

[swbrian]

The armor thing is tough, but...

If you hit him even 2-3 times at close range, he is OFF his mark, and likely overwhelmed if not on the ground reeling from a bruised or broken rib.

Then, while dazed, its a much easier head shot - or groin, or both.

It could be done with 3-4 shots. Easier with a .45. But, its all about what Jeff Cooper has taught - its about mindset.

These chuckleheads are NOT trained to fight, nor are they wearing plates. Foot-lbs are foot-lbs on an untrained loser.

Don't let liberals use this garbage.

 

[melonehead]

Hi
Hope all my forum friends had a Very Merry Christmas.
If you have been reading my posts you will see where I have been torn between my 9c and shield 9. For a while my EDC was a shield 9, That is until recent active shooters, have made me switch to the 9c. I am aware that most shootings are 2.5 rounds and the Shield will be ample. But it sure does feel good to know I have 12 rounds backed up by another 12 round mag. So now i find myself back to the Shield and trying to justify in my warped mind that the shield will be able to handle any situation. Furthermore I am totally aware that shart tactics sharp shooting and a sharp mind are key in a gunfight survival. I DO NOT EVER wish to be in a active shooter situation But i want to feel comfortable If i do encounter on I will be confident in my shield (and i am ). I realize that i would be better off If i was able to pack a M4 type weapon but thats not praccticle.
I jad some work done on my shield by Lou @ Business end customs. He did a nice trigger job, Slide melt and the Tactical Grey creakot. I will send some pis to M&P freak and hopefully he will post them.

Like many on this forum I have many many handguns to choose from for EDC. 5 glocks 5 sigs a few Berettas and 4 M&Ps and countless revolvers . But recently the Shield 9 has been my EDC, with a spare mag Sometime 2
Thanks
1SG
Out

I also opted for the 9c over the Shield. I want as many rounds as possible. I have a full size XD 45 on my night stand and the 9c is my new EDC, replacing the Kahr CW. There is just no way of knowing the circumstances that may arise. Also have an M4 handy at home just in case.

I never thought I would have to worry about things like this living out in the middle of the country, but 2 home break ins last year changed my mind. Freaking meth heads. And from what I can tell, there were at least 2 involved with the latest one, so I am not planning on just 1 potential attacker. This makes a big difference.

 

[Maddmax]

I never leave the house without my Shield 40. I did not carry the extra mag until the Colorado movie shootings. I am now carrying the extra mag, which gives me 13 plus the one in the chamber. The problem is the extra weight. With my wallet, cell phone, Shield 40, and the extra mag, the weight is 2 1/2 pounds (40ounces). Glad the Shield is a sub-compact as my fully loaded Springfield XD45, by itself, weighs 39 ounces, without any extra mags. It holds 13 plus the one in the chamber.

Bob

Shoulder holster. FS-9 on one side 17 in the mag,one in the pipe. Other side two 17 rd mags. Nice ballance,bulky shirt and coat. I'd prefer 45,but too heavy with that much ammo. Also with the way times are around us,situational awareness is a must,always keep an eye out for a way out. It's the first old habit I learned in two tours in a combat zone that never went away. The second is duck and cover,don't become the target. Third,assess the situation,call for help,distract the challange. If challanged remove the threat.

 

[RussC]

I was intrigued with the M&P 9 c magazine capacity over my Shield and I went so far to order multiple 12 and 16 round magazines before purchasing the weapon due to talks in congress. However, after considering my lifestyle the Shield just made more sense.

I realized after cancelling the magazine order I may never have another opportunity to own a high capacity 9mm handgun but the reason for owning my Shield is reliability in a weapon that can be concealed in my pocket.

As much as it would be nice to carry a higher capacity weapon the tradeoff is fewer concealment options which for me was not worth the extra rounds.

Russ