Shield out of battery - time to revisit this issue

[Vision Remodeling]

My Shield will hang out of battery after a press check. I don't like that.


Either I figure out how to fix this or there will be a Shield for sale. There is friction between the extractor and the shell case, the barrel and the slide and the trigger bar and the slide bump. I can't imagine polishing the extractor lip, I can't grind the slide bump, I could polish the barrel I suppose.

Somewhere I need either less friction or more spring.

I polished my barrel, just for looks. It will still hang up after a press check. I see no reason for doing it. I loaded the mag, racked the slide, put another round in the mag and holster the weapon. It stays with me all day and goes in the safe at night. Untill I go to the range and shoot where would the round in the chamber go. I know it is in there. I guess everybody is different maybe you keep your gun at different states of readiness throughout the day. I have never had mine inadvertantly come out of battery and if I alow a BG to get a hand on my gun to push it out I have done something terribly wrong. It is a non issue for me. You have to decide if you can sleep at night knowing about it.

I really just wanted to let you know barrel polishing will not work. It does look good though, I will say if you come up with a fix that does work I probably would do it. I'm just not losing any sleep over it.

 

[Vision Remodeling]

I have been wanting to polish the extractor to match the barrel. I may try to do it this week. I was planning on only doing the outside, but I will see if I can do anthing with the inside lip. I will let you know in a few days.

 

[Lost Lake]

Let's keep this on track, I'll explain some more.

I don't need to do press checks, my gun is condition 1 - 24/7. My concern is it will not return to battery (with a round in the chamber --- some of you may be trying this on an empty gun) if the slide is bumped back.

What could cause this?

A bad guy grabbing for your gun in your holster and tugging the slide.

Pulling your gun while seated in your car and catching the slide on the seat belt / center console / coat / steering wheel / anything, and bumping the slide back a bit.

Rolling on the ground in a struggle.

Running and falling with your gun in your hand.

Deflecting a blow with your gun in your hand.

I could think of thousands of possible ways to bump the slide while you are fighting for your life. I don't think the average self defense battle occurs at 15 feet apart with a slow careful draw of the weapon and a complete function check.

I can push my 3913 slide back and it pops right into battery again. The 3913 is back on my hip while the Shield is down for repairs or sale if it can't be repaired.

 

[2tango2]

So in quickly glancing at the topic in the other forum...... Can this issue be attributed to too much pressure from the magazine forcing the rounds up possibly causing the slide to hang?

 

[18DAI]

Lost Lake all of my 3rd gen pistols go back into battery on their own. No pulling triggers or "bumping" them back to return to battery.

Then too, after thousands of rounds through them, the white dots haven't fallen out of their front sights either. Good luck with your shield! Regards 18DAI

 

[josywales]

Why does the Shield need batteries anyway???

Seriously, after some brief research, I've read several issues with this model. These aren't detailed explanations, but so far:

1- ability to be taken out of battery, or lack of ability to return to battery.
2 - magazines falling during recoil
3 - drift pins coming out from in front of the trigger are walking out

Some of these are issues with earlier versions, but it does strike me odd that guys are so eager to buy a gun with known issues and use it to protect their lives. I am chasing one down, since my wife liked shooting one a bit better than her G19. But if the thing doesn't swallow 500+ uneventful rounds, it's never going into service. in fact, with so much complaining, I might bump it to 1,000 rounds.

 

[Lost Lake]

So in quickly glancing at the topic in the other forum...... Can this issue be attributed to too much pressure from the magazine forcing the rounds up possibly causing the slide to hang?

No, it does it with no mag in the gun too.

 

[Smitty357]

I will be addressing this issue in a video shortly. Give me a few and let me get my things together.

 

[supplier]

Why does the Shield need batteries anyway???

Seriously, after some brief research, I've read several issues with this model. These aren't detailed explanations, but so far:

1- ability to be taken out of battery, or lack of ability to return to battery.
2 - magazines falling during recoil
3 - drift pins coming out from in front of the trigger are walking out

Some of these are issues with earlier versions, but it does strike me odd that guys are so eager to buy a gun with known issues and use it to protect their lives. .

I speak only for myself. I have a backup gun (LCP) in my pocket. I have a HD gun, which is XDm 9mm 3.8 Compact with full 19 rounds mag ( but it can double as CC with short 13 rd mag if more rounds needed).

My point is - I got originally a Beretta Nano ( as Shiled in 9mm was not available). After first range session i knew i do not want Nano anymore. I had an opportunity to be in a LGS, when two 9mm shield arrived and I took my loss on Nano and got 9mm Shield, as I knew there are some issues with .40 caliber, like:
Issue with Mag is dropping out during recoil. That's happening only on .40 guns and, i think, only on most "Snappiest" rounds. It's well known issue and that's why .40 shield is available at least here in Florida. But S&W has a fix for it. Just send it in.
Drifting Pin problem is rare and not "suddenly appearing" - you can see it's slowly drifting and S&W has a fix for it as well. Don't quote me on this, but again it's a problem with .40 caliber only and again i believe with the heavy loads as well as reloads, due to more stress on such little polymer gun. Well it's a problem. We all expect the gun to eat any kind of ammo…
My 9mm works well with crappy target and excellent SD ammo. Can't complaint.
As per battery problem - i think it's only due to the size of the barrel and double recoil spring design. I'm sure sooner or later We will have a fix for that either from S&W - please keep complaining!!!!!! or like from Wolff Spring, etc..
So far on my less than 2 month old Shield with around 3000 rounds through her I had so little malfunctioning which as a TOTAL Newbie with guns i attribute to my (operators) handling techniques. The more i used my Shield - the more and more i love her. I'm sure after another 2000-3000 rounds I'll be 100% relying my life on her
As per my LCP - she saw only few 100's rounds so far. I will put at least 1000 through her before i say she's truly reliable BUG.
My XDm had least action. I shoot it well and it on my night stand, but i live in area where it's quite safe. I just got her few weeks ago - participated in Obama's stimulate package. I also Got 2 extra 19-round mags while i can (on top 13 and 19 rds ones that came with her).
The 9mm Shield is my go to tool when i need a CC gun and i feel i'm safe carrying it.
Just my 2c

 

[2tango2]

I think some of the drifting pin issues reported by members here have been with 9's. I may be wrong but this is what I recall

I will agree that the 40 is a snappy round. 100 at the range the other day got my attention. Gun performed flawlessly though. No issues at all

I have a 9 barrel coming tomorrow as well




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[robkarrob]

Smitty indicated he was going to post a video about this issue. I have written that the gun will go back into battery by slightly pulling the trigger. Well as they say, a picture is worth a 1000 words. I'm tired of typing the 1000 words so here is a video.

Bob


http://youtu.be/vdxAMLDFSZc



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdxAMLDFSZc

 

[Dikinalaska]

Great video. Thanks for taking the time to explain it all. Makes much more sense to me now. And can rest assured that this isn't an issue.

 

[Smitty357]

Great video. Thanks for taking the time to explain it all. Makes much more sense to me now. And can rest assured that this isn't an issue.

If i remember correctly, someone said it wouldnt fire while out of battery (which is true). But pulling the trigger throws it back into battery and still allows you to get a shot off, all in the same pull of the trigger.

Now why was this an issue to start with? I mean was it just one of those "oh no" this doesnt look right. Or in reality does it bump out of battery so easy that this is a re-occuring thing and one was scared that it wouldnt fire in a self defense situation?

 

[highaltitude]

Smitty indicated he was going to post a video about this issue. I have written that the gun will go back into battery by slightly pulling the trigger. Well as they say, a picture is worth a 1000 words. I'm tired of typing the 1000 words so here is a video.

Bob


M&P Knocked Out of Battery - YouTube



M&P Knocked Out of Battery - YouTube

Excellent video. Thanks for posting this.

 

[Dikinalaska]

If i remember correctly, someone said it wouldnt fire while out of battery (which is true). But pulling the trigger throws it back into battery and still allows you to get a shot off, all in the same pull of the trigger.

Now why was this an issue to start with? I mean was it just one of those "oh no" this doesnt look right. Or in reality does it bump out of battery so easy that this is a re-occuring thing and one was scared that it wouldnt fire in a self defense situation?

My understanding, and again this is just MY understanding, is that nobody's actually had an OOB firing issue, it was just something noticed and questioned. I've tinkered with my girls 9 shield and didn't ever notice it happening, but I'm marking that one off as I just never noticed or it's because I bought it for her. Anything I buy for me ends up needing work lol.

 

[supplier]

My understanding, and again this is just MY understanding, is that nobody's actually had an OOB firing issue, it was just something noticed and questioned. I've tinkered with my girls 9 shield and didn't ever notice it happening, but I'm marking that one off as I just never noticed or it's because I bought it for her. Anything I buy for me ends up needing work lol.

can someone test it on a range please? in the video there was plenty of time for slide spring to return the slide forward. But what will happen if it's a SD situation and the trigger pulled really fast? will it be enough time for Battery to fully lock in before the shot?

Thanks

 

[Dikinalaska]

can someone test it on a range please? in the video there was plenty of time for slide spring to return the slide forward. But what will happen if it's a SD situation and the trigger pulled really fast? will it be enough time for Battery to fully lock in before the shot?

Thanks

Could've 2 days ago, came back to work yesterday for 3 weeks. But definitely interested in that thought. I mean you'd have to pull the trigger all the way back in the time it takes the slide to move that 1/4 inch or so, but it's a possibility I guess.

 

[shawn mccarver]

Excellent video. Thanks for posting this.

I must respectfully disagree. I do not believe this is an excellent video. In fact, I am almost horrified at the thought that a great many people MIGHT try this with a loaded pistol, and when they fail to stop the trigger finger at the right point and go too far - BANG, and the least of the problem at that point is embarrassment, while the worst is death.

This video is replete with violations of basic safety rules, and I cannot express how dangerous the practices shown in this video are in terms of a NEGLIGENT discharge.

In the first place, during a substantial portion of this video, the person holding the pistol is violating Rule 3 by failing to keep the finger off the trigger until the sights are on the target. Don't say, "well I know it isn't loaded." Rule 1 is that "all guns are always loaded." While we know this one isn't, that does not excuse the failure to demonstrate properly.

Secondly, and far worse is that fact that someone, somewhere is going to try this one too many times. The trigger is negligently pulled too far for any number of reasons and someone gets shot or some property gets damaged, etc.

To teach someone that it is OK to close the slide after a press check by pulling the trigger is just downright dangerous. I cannot express in strong enough terms how bad this demonstration is in terms of the bad gun handling in the video and how bad it is to demonstrate a practice that so goes against every safety rule known to man.

Someone will get hurt, and every time any of us have an accident involving negligent practices, it is one more nail in the coffin of gun "rights" and perhaps many nails in some unlucky person's actual coffin if that person is in front of the muzzle when the pistol fires. And it will, at some point - not due to a bad design, but due to a positively terrible solution to a perceived problem that a bunch of novices think there is with a perfectly fine firearm - that of hanging short of closing when the solution is a little tap to the back of the slide with anything. I mean - even if you are the proverbial "one armed man," you can tap it against the bottom of your shoe or any other surface.

Sorry for the rant, but this whole thing is a discussion about nothing. If you do a press check, just close the bloody slide.

 

[robkarrob]

Some people on this Forum have nothing better than to criticize others. Some are the most negative people on this forum. They disagree and argue about everything. Things that are shown in a video and proven correct, and they still have something negative to say! Am I wrong or do others on this forum also find those negative comments are excessive and over the top?

MY VIDEO WAS NOT ABOUT GUN SAFETY! The video was showing an answer to the original OP of the gun sticking out of battery. The video showed that if the gun owner did not know the gun was slightly out of battery, and the gun was needed in an emergency SD situation, the gun would still function. IT WAS NOT SHOWING HOW TO SAFELY PUT A GUN BACK INTO BATTERY. The video did also show the slide could be easily pushed back into battery and or a simple shake of the gun would also put it back into battery. I take the time to make a video and show what is occurring, and I get bashed for it. The video was for one purpose, to show the gun would still function if it got bumped out of battery. I don't normally tirade much, but some posters should think before posting their negative comments.

Since the vast majority of our Forum members follow proper gun safety, and the video was made specifically for those members, those members know the proper way to get the gun back into battery. I did not feel I needed to put a warning disclaimer in the video. Just certain persons would come to that conclusion.

Bob

 

[robkarrob]

Reply to can the trigger be pulled too fast and the gun not fire.

Yes I am sure it could be pulled too fast before the gun goes into battery. But the striker would still be in the cocked position. The trigger would have to be reset. At that point by just releasing the trigger to reset and re-pulling the trigger again, the gun would fire.

Bob