My LGS outside of Atlantic City is selling the P365 for $725, and getting it.
Shield Plus (10 round flush mag) in the works
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My LGS outside of Atlantic City is selling the P365 for $725, and getting it.
Mike, I hear what you're saying. I live in a state where magazine capacity is limited to 10 rounds, and if they could, they'd limit magazine capacity to 1 round.
Let me qualify my answer with a few statements, first. Considering the transparency and reputation the Bureau is developing recently, I don't think that I could trust their statistics. Second, being disabled and unable to run, I am justifiably scared.
My fear isn't the 1 or 2 robbers/muggers, but roaming packs of not so "peaceful protesters" that are popping up in unannounced areas of the country. If I don't have a 1911 with reloads at hand, I want as high of capacity 9 as i can carry. If I find myself in a gunfight, I would rather have too much ammo than not enough when the dust settles.
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Got an email this morning that had a link to Brownell’s. The new shield can be had there for $529. $599 with different sights.
Because the downside isn't there. When your options were a 5 shot J frame or a 13/14 shot Model 59 or HiPower yeah, the tradeoff of size and weight for capacity is a pretty big one.
Pictured are 5 rounds and 13 rounds, with a minimal size difference (this is the XL, a normal 365 is even smaller). Both conceal easily in a t shirt, are affordable, one is just easier to shoot, has real sights, and gives you seven more chances. People are gonna like what they like, and this type of auto is a crazy hot seller for good reason.
That's fine if you have one. How long have they been discontinued now, over a decade? They can be found used, but condition will be at best variable. And I have no idea how easy/hard parts are to find.
And it's a bigger gun than the Shield Plus, in every dimension, and it's heavier. It also has a DA/SA trigger, which isn't for everyone.
So if you don't have a 3913 already, the Shield Plus likely makes much more sense.
And it's a bigger gun than the Shield Plus, in every dimension, and it's heavier. It also has a DA/SA trigger, which isn't for everyone.
So if you don't have a 3913 already, the Shield Plus likely makes much more sense.
Excuse me - I'll stick with my 3913NL - 9 rounds all up, and S&W never made a better concealable 9mm pistol. I think 9 rounds should be sufficient for seriously discouraging up to 9 assailants. I'm a damn good shot.
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You do realize the P365 bugs have been long worked out. I'm not hearing a lot of complaints (and am hearing a lot of good reviews) about new production guns.
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He's probably never even shot a P365. That kind of blind brand loyalty usually has no basis in facts...
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Well THAT is a drive by if I ever saw one......
If anyone thinks they know when they'll need their gun, and how many rounds they'll need to resolve the situation in their favor, they're deluding themselves. That being the case, I, at lease, would want to have as many rounds of as powerful ammo as possible, in a reliable accurate firearm.
The flip side to this is that the gun has to actually be carried to be useful. So there's always a size/weight tradeoff. You've defined your size/weight tradeoff as being able to carry a J-Frame.
So the question becomes, if you can carry a J-Frame, what else can you carry that gives you more of an advantage over an attacker. The qun in question here is noticeably bigger than a standard J-Frame. So there may be situations where it would be more difficult to carry than the J-frame. But there are others that are not, most notably the P365. I can't see too many situations where someone could carry a J, and not the P365. And the latter gives you more that twice the capacity of a superior round (and I DO consider 9mm to be superior to .38 spl.) So it comes back to the the question of why you wouldn't want to do so, when there's no downside.
The flip side to this is that the gun has to actually be carried to be useful. So there's always a size/weight tradeoff. You've defined your size/weight tradeoff as being able to carry a J-Frame.
So the question becomes, if you can carry a J-Frame, what else can you carry that gives you more of an advantage over an attacker. The qun in question here is noticeably bigger than a standard J-Frame. So there may be situations where it would be more difficult to carry than the J-frame. But there are others that are not, most notably the P365. I can't see too many situations where someone could carry a J, and not the P365. And the latter gives you more that twice the capacity of a superior round (and I DO consider 9mm to be superior to .38 spl.) So it comes back to the the question of why you wouldn't want to do so, when there's no downside.
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nope, owned 3 of them. I was a DIE HARD Sig fan until Ron Cohen took over sig, only to watch them spiral straight towards the sewer. Had 2 of them chip pieces away, and the 3rd drag primers so bad it looked like a pathway from the center of the round to the edge after ever shot. Sold the last one about a year ago and wiped my hands from them
The only sig's I own anymore are the old made in German P22x series guns
It may seem like I'm brand loyal, but I owned over 12-15 Sigs over the years and have had nothing but bitter disappointment in the newer ones in the last decade since Cohen took over (2 P938's that weren't even remotely reliable, the infamous P320, 3 of the P365s that I DESPERATELY wanted to like)
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One factor that is often left out of the analysis is weight. The Plus adds about 2 ounces to the Shield, which is already heavier than the 642 by 3.75 ounces. (all weights unloaded - obviously 11 rounds of 9mm outweighs either 8 of the same or 5 of .38 Spl). Otherwise dimensions of these 3 S&W offerings are similar. While I recently read 0.1 inch in width presented as justification for choosing a Springfield XD-S over a Hellcat, it wouldn't matter much to me, and that is the approximate difference between the Shield and the Plus and between the Plus and the 642.
For multiple reasons I pocket carry 90% or more of the time. I've been carrying concealed for over 40 years and I know what works for me, today. I used to be able to conceal a 4" N-Frame and two BUGS. Not feasible or necessary today. I switch from jeans and T-shirt to suit and tie, sometimes more than once in the same day.
With the 642 it doesn't matter. It carries as easily in either attire or the sweats I wear when bumming around the house for that matter. The Shield (1.0) works fine in the jeans, although the grip angle of the 642 is easier for me to acquire. In the suits the extra weight of the 9mm is noticeable. It sags, it bangs against my leg. Sure, I could use a shoulder holster under the coat and carry a pair of full size M&Ps and two reloads for each, but the coat doesn't always stay on.
Another 2 ounces curb weight plus another 3 rounds of ammo in the same pocket is not in the cards for me. On the other hand, if I didn't own a Shield already, I might have considered the Plus. Because the size and weight differences between the two 9s are so slight, a 30% capacity increase would be a real consideration.
If the local chapter of the Vagos decides to get even for what I did to their brothers 30 years ago, I'm toast. Frankly, so would I be if I was carrying my BHP and every magazine I own.
One more opinion, which is worth exactly what you paid for it.
For multiple reasons I pocket carry 90% or more of the time. I've been carrying concealed for over 40 years and I know what works for me, today. I used to be able to conceal a 4" N-Frame and two BUGS. Not feasible or necessary today. I switch from jeans and T-shirt to suit and tie, sometimes more than once in the same day.
With the 642 it doesn't matter. It carries as easily in either attire or the sweats I wear when bumming around the house for that matter. The Shield (1.0) works fine in the jeans, although the grip angle of the 642 is easier for me to acquire. In the suits the extra weight of the 9mm is noticeable. It sags, it bangs against my leg. Sure, I could use a shoulder holster under the coat and carry a pair of full size M&Ps and two reloads for each, but the coat doesn't always stay on.
Another 2 ounces curb weight plus another 3 rounds of ammo in the same pocket is not in the cards for me. On the other hand, if I didn't own a Shield already, I might have considered the Plus. Because the size and weight differences between the two 9s are so slight, a 30% capacity increase would be a real consideration.
If the local chapter of the Vagos decides to get even for what I did to their brothers 30 years ago, I'm toast. Frankly, so would I be if I was carrying my BHP and every magazine I own.
One more opinion, which is worth exactly what you paid for it.
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according to TFTB the Shield Plus weight about 2 ounces LESS than the shield 2.0
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They're out and for sale. Better get one before they raise the price. AWESOME TRIGGER. Shot 50 rounds through one yesterday at the range.
M&P 9 Shield Plus No Thumb Safety BLK 9mm Luger 3.1in 10/13rnd | Locked & Loaded Limited
M&P 9 Shield Plus No Thumb Safety BLK 9mm Luger 3.1in 10/13rnd | Locked & Loaded Limited
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Kentucky gun has them in stock but they want around $570 for one.
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Exactly. Then add in shipping and FFL and we're $100 over MSRP, which I wouldn't pay even in the shop. Principle of the thing.
When the hoopla dies down and they're $450 in the shop, I'll check one out. But I think this new Shield is gonna be luke-warm at best. It was made to compete with the 365 and the hellcat, and it is bigger in every way. One day, when they are under $400, maybe I'll get one.
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Did TFTB actually weigh the guns themselves or just look up the weights on the S&W website?
Sometimes S&W lists the weight of a gun with an empty magazine, sometimes they list the weight of a gun with no magazine. Since the plus model appears to the the 2.0 Shield with a different polymer frame I would be surprised if there is actually 2 ounces difference in weight.
ETA: I watched the video and they did weigh the guns. The plus weighs 20.14 ounces and the 2.0 weighed 20.35 ounces, a difference of .2. Both with empty magazines.
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