Shooting the 3914 - shield 9 - XDs9

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Last weekend I had the opportunity to shoot several different handguns. Three that I shot extensively, ie at least 50 rounds each, were the 3914NL, shield 9 and XDs9.

The guns:

The 3914NL is a used well carried piece I bought off Gunbroker. New springs installed by me. It looks like toast due to neglect by the previous owner, but it is a bet your life reliable tack driver. 1.5" groups at the 10 yard line during unsupported slow fire. Great trigger. Liked the 147 grain Ranger JHP best. Shot the Federal 115 grain range fodder well too. Largest group was 3 inches shot by my G/F using some cheap UMC 147 grain flatnose she found. My favorite from the three models listed.

Fast shooting drills were a breeze due to the excellent trigger, good sights - which after 22 years still had their white dots intact - and the inherent accuracy of this example. Double taps on a 6 inch diameter circle at 15 yards yeilded all A hits. Great pistol.

The shield was a brand new gun. Not subject to the recall according to the range owner. It was a range rental and I was the 4th person to shoot it. It had a spongy trigger, but was a short pull. It felt shorter than the last one I shot. In fact, I inadvertantly triggered a second shot each time I shot it for the first two mags. My G/F did the same thing. I don't consider that a plus. The mags being new were hard to load. My G/F could only get 6 rounds in each. As I loaded the extended mag, the cheap vinyl "adapter" surrounding the base of the mag kept riding up. I was afraid I'd tear it. Cheap design IMO.

The shield jammed twice (FTE) in the 50 rounds we shot it. The first time my G/F was shooting it. She got a stovepipe on round 4 in the short mag. Tap Tilt rack and she fired the remaining rounds. The second time I was shooting it I got an unusual jam that was difficult to clear. The expended casing flipped around and didn't eject. The case head of the expended casing was half in the tube and jammed under the barrel hood. The next round up, round 5, was slightly forward in the mag. The mag would not drop free and racking it didn't kick the expended casing free as the slide wouldn't fully travel aft. I wound up holding down the mag release and ripping the mag out of the frame. The 5th round went flying free. It took me more than a minute to clear it. I was using the extended mag at the time.

"How'd you like to have to stop and do that if it was for all the marbles?" my G/F inquired. Out of the mouths of hot babes. ;)

The shield shot consistantly high and to the right with all the different rounds we were using. The white dot was already gone from the front sight. Pathetic QA/QC. My G/F is right handed. I'm left handed. It shot high right for both of us. Best group I was able to shoot with it was 2.5" at 10 yards using Federal 115 grain range fodder. Best my G/f shot was 3" at the same distance. She complained about both the trigger being short and spongy and the hinge/break in the middle of the trigger. She said it didn't feel good and iritated her finger. I didn't notice that while firing it.

I think the shield is better than a sharp stick, but not by much. S&W should address the FTE issue. And put a nice trigger on it. And sights that keep their white dots in. For $419 there are MANY superior guns I'd purchase before I wasted my money on the shield. Oh, BTW, of the three models being tried, only the shield would not go back into battery by itself after being pressed out of battery deliberately.

For all the talk of the shield being the "modern day 3913!!" I was surprised at how lousy it was. I'm not seeing the correlation. The only thing the shield and a 39XX series pistol have in common is the caliber and famous trademark.

The XDs 9 was a new range rental as well. The owner had had it for a few weeks and didn't know how many people had shot it other than to say; "Lots of folks have been shooting that one. It is very popular and Springfield has a winner there!". I'll be the judge of that......Sparky.

The trigger pull was smooth but a little bit long. Slight stacking before the break. The grip texturing was VERY aggresive just like the XDs 45 I'd shot previously. In fact the two guns are identical in size. The XDs 9 did not malfunction with any of the ammunition used. It was EXTREMELY dirty too. Evidently not cleaned or lubed since it had arrived. We only had one mag to shoot it with. A short base plate version.

I vertically strung my rounds with the XDs 9. Best group I shot was 2.5" at 10 yards. More of an oval vertically oriented pattern than a group. I was tired and this was the last gun we shot so it may have been me. My G/F shot it like a laser. On one 3 inch Shoot-N-Cee target she shot a 1" group at 10 yards with three round going almost through the same hole. She liked the grip, trigger and size of the gun. The speed drills were no problem for her and she kept the mjority of her rounds in the six inch circle while shooting very quickly. All in all not a bad single stack 9mm IMO. G/F rated it number 2 out of 3.

She still confiscated my 3914NL pronouncing it superior to the other two guns. It was the one she shot best and she has a lot of time behind the 39XX series guns over the years.

So, take it for what its worth. This is one mans evaluation worth exactly what you paid for it. :) Now I have to find a 3913 Ladysmith for her birthday or Christmas. No good deed goes unpunished. ;) Regards 18DAI
 
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I did some side-by-side testing with my lady friend's Shield and my 3913. I was determining whether I was ready to step into the 21st century or not. After 500 thru the Shield, and 100 through my 3913, the choice was clear...back to the 90's for me!

While the Shield ran perfect for me, she can't get through a mag without a misfire. The slide stays just a hair out of battery, allowing the striker to operate, but light-striking the primer. It took a trip back to Smith, but they said it was within spec, and as I cannot re-create the condition anywhich way, I assume it's just the fit of her and the pistol. BTW, she's never had a problem when firing my 3913, or any of my other autos, for that matter.

IMO, there's just not enough of a size and weight savings to switch. And with apologies to Col. Cooper, I feel much better having a DA pull for the first round.
 
In the interest of credit where credit is due, the Shield 40 I owned for several months did not malfunction at all in approximately 800 rounds.

Accuracy-wise, it took some getting used to but I eventually was able to get acceptable (for me) groups at up to 10 yards. I started out low and left (I am a righty) but some of it was from flinching.

I haven't shot a 3914 but I did have a 4040PD that I found to be very accurate and a sweet single stack. I haven't shot the XD-9.
 
Unfortunately your extreme bias comes oozing through your review 18DAI.... :p

I have 3 Shield 9s now, and three third gens. It is not fair to compare a 39xx to a Shield, I'll give you that. And yes that darn Shield slide will stay OOB until you polish and smooth parts and run a lot of ammo through it, I finally have one of mine going back into battery, but just barely.

I've never thought about the Shield trigger being mushy. I am satisfied with all of my Shield triggers, but maybe because I have a couple of the old M&Ps with just terrible triggers.

I will post a comparison in a couple weeks of my soon-to-be-here M&P45c and my 4513TSW. I wonder which of those guns will come out on top? :p

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Also, to be fair, I can shoot the Shield slightly faster and more accurately, but not enough to matter at close-encounter range. For me, it comes down to the trigger system. If I was a fan of striker-fired pistols, I would have no problem switching over. Although, somewhere in the back of my small brain, I would be wondering when/if that lightstrike would happen to me....

And the mags are waaaaay to thick for a single-stack. 18DAI, if your girl can get 6 in there without a loader, you may want to avoid arm-wrestling for the dinner check.
 
Unfortunately your extreme bias comes oozing through your review 18DAI.... :p

I have 3 Shield 9s now, and three third gens. It is not fair to compare a 39xx to a Shield, I'll give you that. And yes that darn Shield slide will stay OOB until you polish and smooth parts and run a lot of ammo through it, I finally have one of mine going back into battery, but just barely.

I've never thought about the Shield trigger being mushy. I am satisfied with all of my Shield triggers, but maybe because I have a couple of the old M&Ps with just terrible triggers.

I will post a comparison in a couple weeks of my soon-to-be-here M&P45c and my 4513TSW. I wonder which of those guns will come out on top? :p

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Agreed, there is some bias there.

I've shot quite a few rounds through Gen 3's myself and shoot them well. But, I also remember how I hated the long, heavy DA pull on round one and what a pain I thought shooting the gun was when we went to them.

The question for most people is not which gun, after years on a Gen 3, do LE guys shoot better, but which gun will a newbie adapt to quicker? The answer is going to be a strike fired gun. I have no doubt the 3914 is the superior gun for you, hands down, but you are an exception.

As for the Shield malfunction issues, it sounds like yours was a terrible gun. Mine has flawlessly fed everything I've put in it, including the HP I shot out of it after 25 rounds of RN's my first shooting session. I don't find the trigger is an issue, the Shield is a shorter barreled/lighter gun, these types of guns reveal more of the shooters flaws in technique. Whether you want to attribute that to longer sight radius, better recoil absorption, grip size etc, bigger guns are easier to shoot.

JMO.
 
Good points S&W45Colt.

The only thing I don't like about my third gen TDA's is that hard first trigger pull followed by an easy second pull. But that's because of my lack of experience. And the fact that I shoot a lot of rifle, striker and revolvers too. The TDA pull is just quite different.

M&Ps are not target guns. They are not as nice as a third ten in any way I can think of except being newbie friendly.

But I still love my M&P's for what they are. Dependable, close range, lightweight, inexpensive guns.

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I really like the 6906, I think it it is one of the best sized and designed mid-sized 9mm's ever done. The 908S, the 39XX's are wonderful guns. I'm not sure we'll ever see higher quality guns again, they are built like tanks. However, the poly guns are easier to learn initially, easier to clean/take down and cheaper to own, they are here to stay.

If I were to make a guess, I'm going to say a new 6906 would cost $800-$900. My M&P 9 cost me $450. Is the 6906 a better gun? Probably so; twice as good? No. Same principle on the 39XX's and the Shield.

JMO
 
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Bias aside, it all comes down to what works for you!
In 18DAI's case his years spent behind the controls of a 3rd Gen Smith has made him a master with it. Witness how his lady shot the XDs9 like a laser yet preferred the 3914 due to its consistency.
As for me, I can't lay claim to preferring the 3900 series as I've not spent enough time behind one yet, that and my current 457 seems to have stolen the thunder for the minute, plus my years of using a SIG P226 and now a 5946 have jaded me toward these two fine weapons.
It all boils down to preference and familiarity, and what's proven and works! And if that's being biased then so be it! We're all biased in our own ways anyways.
And I will commend 18DAI on a through test, he and his lady gave all three pieces an equal opportunity to "strut their stuff".
Dale
 
I had just qualified with my new 9mm Shield and requalied with my 6904. Round for round, both were 100% reliable and dead accurate. I have put every combination of 9mm thru my Shield, no issues. However, I carry my 6904 when off duty, I just like my 3rd Gen guns. My most accurate out of my five is still my 4506-1, even more than my PC Shorty Forty.
 
I really like the 6906, I think it it is one of the best sized and designed mid-sized 9mm's ever done. The 908S, the 39XX's are wonderful guns. I'm not sure we'll ever see higher quality guns again, they are built like tanks. However, the poly guns are easier to learn initially, easier to clean/take down and cheaper to own, they are here to stay.

If I were to make a guess, I'm going to say a new 6906 would cost $800-$900. My M&P 9 cost me $450. Is the 6906 a better gun? Probably so; twice as good? No. Same principle on the 39XX's and the Shield.

JMO

Agree all you have to do is rack the slide and you instantly feel the quality in the S&W's. Many share the idea that a lighter gun must make a better gun, as we know thats not true. Modern plastics have come a long way but for me they feel top heavy and unbalanced. Now my carry guns do include some poly guns especially in South Texas summer.
 
Bias huh?

Well, if expecting a handgun to function reliably 100% out of the box, and have a good trigger is an indicator of bias than I am guilty as charged.

On the other hand if you are refering to my personal dislike of ugly striker fired plastic guns with lousy triggers, then I understand. Although I must point out that I did say the XDs 9mm was a nice pistol.

If the 39XX series didn't exist, I would own a Sig 239. Other than bobbing the hammer I would have no problems with that gun.

And if ugly striker fired plastic was all that was available, I'd buy another Walther PPQ 9mm. Best trigger on a plastic gun that I've ever squeezed. A little light and too short for a carry gun, for me. But a nice trigger none the less.

I'm old school. Accuracy starts with a good trigger. Sure there are other factors, but a good trigger is the cornerstone. I am also old enough to have been around when gun manufacturers made "mass produced" guns with good triggers. They also made guns that were asthetically pleasing. Yes, function trumps form, BUT - life is too short to waste time with ugly cheaply made guns. Especially when superior good looking handguns can be purchased for less money. Call me crazy, or biased, but I'll be spending my money on the tried and true handguns. Sig evidently sees a market for them too. ;)

Make mine a 39XX or 45XX series. Accurate, reliable, great triggers AND look good doing all that. YMMV. Void where prohibited. Ask your gunsmith if a TDA 3rd gen pistol may be right for you. :) Regards 18DAI
 
Bias huh?

Well, if expecting a handgun to function reliably 100% out of the box, and have a good trigger is an indicator of bias than I am guilty as charged.

On the other hand if you are refering to my personal dislike of ugly striker fired plastic guns with lousy triggers, then I understand. Although I must point out that I did say the XDs 9mm was a nice pistol.

If the 39XX series didn't exist, I would own a Sig 239. Other than bobbing the hammer I would have no problems with that gun.

And if ugly striker fired plastic was all that was available, I'd buy another Walther PPQ 9mm. Best trigger on a plastic gun that I've ever squeezed. A little light and too short for a carry gun, for me. But a nice trigger none the less.

I'm old school. Accuracy starts with a good trigger. Sure there are other factors, but a good trigger is the cornerstone. I am also old enough to have been around when gun manufacturers made "mass produced" guns with good triggers. They also made guns that were asthetically pleasing. Yes, function trumps form, BUT - life is too short to waste time with ugly cheaply made guns. Especially when superior good looking handguns can be purchased for less money. Call me crazy, or biased, but I'll be spending my money on the tried and true handguns. Sig evidently sees a market for them too. ;)

Make mine a 39XX or 45XX series. Accurate, reliable, great triggers AND look good doing all that. YMMV. Void where prohibited. Ask your gunsmith if a TDA 3rd gen pistol may be right for you. :) Regards 18DAI

I have to agree. I'm not a lawman so I can carry what I want when I want. I tried to love polymer, striker fired guns with dingus triggers. They just don't work for me. I can do ugly - ask some of my lady friends:) - but I'd rather have a looker. I can do cheap (no allusions to the fairer sex intended), but I also want to have some pride of ownership. If I work at it, I can also do bad triggers, but see no reason to do so.
In .22, give me my grandfather's Woodsman. In 9mm, I choose a 3rd gen S&W. In .45, my trusty old Colt Combat Commander in that satin nickel that after several decades looks a little yellow.
Luckily, my desires have no impact on anyone else. Do what you can to live a life of joy and love.
 
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I have to chime in here because I have some experience with the S&W 6906 since it was my service issue weapon from its introduction back in the late 80's, and quite frankly, in my very humble opinion, it is shocking to me that these third generation S&W autos are commanding such prices today. I would have thought they would have all ended up in the smelter.

So you know where I am coming from, I was the last class in my academy to be issued a revolver, and I always say I was dragged kicking and screaming into the autoloader world. Shortly after graduation, we were transitioned over to autos, but had the option of carrying (almost) any 38/357 revolver or 9mm auto we chose. The agency issue was the 6906. From the outset, I was not a fan of the double single action and I chose to stick with my issue 686, and personally owned model 60.

About 5 years later, I attended firearms instructor school with 20 of my buddies from the agency. Two of us from that class were revolver guys, and another 6 or so had there own Sigs, and Glocks...so there were 12 6906's that ran through a week of instructor training. Two of those 12 broke on the line.

A year or two after that, the draw bars on all the 6906's needed to be replaced. For some reason they had developed cracks.

I can say without hesitation that no one that I knew had any love for the third generations S&W Autos. Most thought they were such junk that they swore they would never own another S&W Auto. For me that only changed when the M&P line was introduced.

By the time I had to attend firearms instructor refresher training, the agency had transitioned to the Glock. Just based on the shear abuse the Glock was able to endure...I eventually warmed up to it.

My preferred carry gun now is an M&P Shield 9mm. I haven't had any of the issues I've read about on this forum. I believe that the M&P line actually represents some improvements over the Glock (which I have become a fan of over the last 20 years.) I am scheduled to attend an M&P Armorers course on 10/15, so I will reserve judgement until then, but as of right now I will say I am very impressed with the M&P line of autos and on the verge of favoring them over the Glock pistol.

The simple fact is that autos will never be as reliable as revolvers, just by the very nature of how they operate. There is much more that can go wrong. Having said that, I also believe (in my humble opinion) that modern striker fired pistols will, over the long term, prove more reliable than their 80's cousins if for no other reason than that they contain far fewer parts...sometimes by half. The 3914 schematic lists 99 parts vs 30 for the M&P line. I realize that is not completely accurate since some of the M&P sub assemblies are actually one part, but the fact remains there is generally less to go wrong.

The one concern I have with all modern polymer frame pistols has to do with the useful life of the polymer frame. I recently had a 1989 vintage low round count Glock 19 frame crack, which makes me wonder if the polymer becomes brittle as it ages. On the other hand, the fact that the aluminum drawbars cracked in our issued 6906's about 7 years in doesn't actually inspire much confidence either.

I mean no offense to those who love their third gen S&W Autos. I imagine most of them have not had the round counts an agency issued sidearm need to endure, and will likely serve civilians who carry them, and their children, and perhaps their grandchildren very well. It just surprises me that they seem to garner such high praise nearly 25 years after their introduction, when those of us that were issued them at inception (at least in my small circle) had little good to say about them.
 
Just to give you a little insight about new production guns. Yes, the Shield has had some minor cases of "growing pains". That being said, I can remember when the Gen3 6906 was sent to the field as the issued pistol for U.S. Customs.

In the first year, sent three back from our office with frames that were cracking. There were several FTF FTE until the pistols were broken in.

Plus we can't know for sure (since we weren't there) that the malfunctions were not possibly shooter induced. (less than firm grip. etc.)

I have a 9mm Shield that was purchased in the first three days of it's release. I have nearly 1,000 rounds of many types of ammunition down the pipe. I have yet to have a single malfunction from that pistol, regardless of the shooter.

At the end of the day, carry what feels best to you, and that you can shoot the best.
 
Bias huh?

Well, if expecting a handgun to function reliably 100% out of the box, and have a good trigger is an indicator of bias than I am guilty as charged.

On the other hand if you are refering to my personal dislike of ugly striker fired plastic guns with lousy triggers, then I understand. Although I must point out that I did say the XDs 9mm was a nice pistol.

If the 39XX series didn't exist, I would own a Sig 239. Other than bobbing the hammer I would have no problems with that gun.

And if ugly striker fired plastic was all that was available, I'd buy another Walther PPQ 9mm. Best trigger on a plastic gun that I've ever squeezed. A little light and too short for a carry gun, for me. But a nice trigger none the less.

I'm old school. Accuracy starts with a good trigger. Sure there are other factors, but a good trigger is the cornerstone. I am also old enough to have been around when gun manufacturers made "mass produced" guns with good triggers. They also made guns that were asthetically pleasing. Yes, function trumps form, BUT - life is too short to waste time with ugly cheaply made guns. Especially when superior good looking handguns can be purchased for less money. Call me crazy, or biased, but I'll be spending my money on the tried and true handguns. Sig evidently sees a market for them too. ;)

Make mine a 39XX or 45XX series. Accurate, reliable, great triggers AND look good doing all that. YMMV. Void where prohibited. Ask your gunsmith if a TDA 3rd gen pistol may be right for you. :) Regards 18DAI

18DAI...you may have single handedly driven the 3rd gen following! Your posts here and on other forums have been very convincing. I have to admit you recruited me a couple of years ago and I haven't looked back. Love my revolvers, 1911's and even my couple of M&P's are fine...throw in a couple of oddballs and I have a few choices...but I can't seem to get the 3rd gen itch satisfied. 3913TSW (no rail) 6904, 6906, Shorty 40MkIII and Shorty 9 have me sold for life...even thinking about stepping back to the 2nd gen for a 639.

No platform is for everyone but for the $$ it is hard to beat these guns. JMHO.;)
 
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