Short-barreled rifle question

[Wildman101010]

Getting to the point Google is just totally useless now because there’s so much information out there, that when you punch in keywords you need to research, up pops 1 million other subjects not related to your question!!! Drives me insane it does.

What good is a search engine that produces 200,000 results?

Anyway, now that I’ve got THAT off my chest, what are the laws concerning a separated SBR? Let’s say I get drunk one night and I can’t see my hand in front of my face and I accidentally put my smith lower on my PSA 7 inch pistol barrel.

I’m running down the road and I get pulled over by cop. Proceeding now with the hypothetical situation that its not registered and there’s no stamp, in other words it’s illegal, what if you hurriedly separated it and put the barrel on one seat and the lower on the other? Are there any kind of laws concerning assembled versus disassembled, and if so, is there a mandated certain distance they have to be from each other???

What if the barrel is under the front seat and the lower is in the trunk? I can’t find an answer to that question guys! Or gals..

 

[Wildman101010]

Come to think of it, I know there is no law specifying a pistol buffer tube from a rifle on a pistol. So if you kept a rifle buffer tube on your pistol, could you keep the stock close to it and as long as you don’t attach it your legal and good to go? Inquiring minds want to know!!!! Lol

 

[Valmet]

Gray area but ATF may try to argue “intent.” I’m assuming the S&W lower isn’t on a Form 1? I’m waiting on a Form 1 for an AR lower (which I’m going to put a 10.5” 609 upper on) and friends of mine who own MGs have suggested that I don’t even order the upper until I get my approved stamp back.

 

[Fishinfool]

Your first issue would probably be a DUI arrest....

Larry

 

[LPD256]

What if you just put a SB Tactical pistol stock on it which makes it a pistol? But essentially functions as an SBR. Next dumb question is, if your PSA 7” gun is an SBR as you stated, I’m assuming you already have a tax stamp for that gun, so what would you accomplish by making a Frankenstein gun with the 7” upper and rifle lower from a non-stamped gun, creating an illegal SBR?

 

[BAM-BAM]

Seem to recall........ if you have a SBR/ pistol upper you'd better also have/own a pistol lower (which is the serial #ed "firearm")........ or there is implied intent that you plan to build a unregistered SBR.

 

[Pisgah]

Stop drinking and handling firearms and I doubt you'll ever face this scenario...

 

[Sgt 45]

I’d say it’s a bit murky. What if you own a 10.5”barreled pistol and a regular rifle. Should be no problem as one is registered (maybe) as a pistol and the other is a rifle, but if you switch them you now have an SBR for the one and a long barreled pistol (which if it isn’t long enough could get you into trouble). Seems to me that the NFA ‘34 should be scrapped-but then that’s just me.

 

[Borderboss]

First, stop using Google and use Bing. Google is a bunch of anti-gun leftists.

Now to your main topic. If your lower is originally papered as a rifle, and you put a pistol upper on it, you've created an SBR. You better license it or switch it back before someone catches it.

If your lower is originally papered as a Pistol lower, if you put a rifle upper on it, it's perfectly legal except that you now have "converted" that firearm to a rifle. You can't go back and put the pistol upper back on it, otherwise you've created an SBR that requires licensing.

Clear as mud, right?

 

[Eric300]

Your first issue would probably be a DUI arrest....

Larry

Not to mention being charged with possession of a firearm while intoxicated.

 

[18robert]

just put an armbrace on it, your good to go no matter how you position it to shoot.

 

[Wildman101010]

First, stop using Google and use Bing. Google is a bunch of anti-gun leftists.

Now to your main topic. If your lower is originally papered as a rifle, and you put a pistol upper on it, you've created an SBR. You better license it or switch it back before someone catches it.

If your lower is originally papered as a Pistol lower, if you put a rifle upper on it, it's perfectly legal except that you now have "converted" that firearm to a rifle. You can't go back and put the pistol upper back on it, otherwise you've created an SBR that requires licensing.

Clear as mud, right?

Clear as mud if only that was the question I was asking... But it was not my friend! But thanks for playing anyway, Lisa has some parting gifts for you LOL

 

[Wildman101010]

What if you just put a SB Tactical pistol stock on it which makes it a pistol? But essentially functions as an SBR. Next dumb question is, if your PSA 7” gun is an SBR as you stated, I’m assuming you already have a tax stamp for that gun, so what would you accomplish by making a Frankenstein gun with the 7” upper and rifle lower from a non-stamped gun, creating an illegal SBR?

Wow, yeah, well, i’m not sure my post could have been any clearer that it was not registered and not stamped. And you absolutely cannot take a rifle lower and use it for your pistol that’s considered a SBR. And I might add this is one of the silliest, stupidest, most ridiculous and absurd law on the books today!

 

[Wildman101010]

just put an armbrace on it, your good to go no matter how you position it to shoot.

Not true, a pistol brace has nothing to do with the fact that it’s a SBR

 

[Wildman101010]

Let me clear this up some as my humor and fictitious story has seemed to confuse many! Forget the story. You have an illegal short-barreled rifle in your possession. If you disassemble it, and the lower is now disassembled from the upper, do you still have an illegal SBR in your possession?

 

[BAM-BAM]

Let me clear this up some as my humor and fictitious story has seemed to confuse many! Forget the story. You have an illegal short-barreled rifle in your possession. If you disassemble it, and the lower is now disassembled from the upper, do you still have an illegal SBR in your possession?

See post #6.

 

[Buick]

Let me clear this up some as my humor and fictitious story has seemed to confuse many! Forget the story. You have an illegal short-barreled rifle in your possession. If you disassemble it, and the lower is now disassembled from the upper, do you still have an illegal SBR in your possession?

Imho, no you dont. You have a rifle (serialized receiver), and an upper. But you could be prosecuted for constructive intent to manufacture an SBR. I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY.

 

[Valmet]

Imho, no you dont. You have a rifle (serialized receiver), and an upper. But you could be prosecuted for constructive intent to manufacture an SBR. I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY.

This is my understanding as well ^^^^^

 

[Wildman101010]

Stop drinking and handling firearms and I doubt you'll ever face this scenario...

You do realize that was hypothetical humor, right!

 

[pantannojack]

No Worries Here

I'm just glad I don't like them things.