Should i be concerned?

[Lost Lake]

Hey lake, first of all, how did you post that pic?

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Awww... I can't do it.

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[Birds Away]

As for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generations, that refers to the type of gun. All metal guns were 2nd gens, like the 4046. Third gens are tupperware guns.

I think you may be mistaken...or maybe I am. It is my understanding that the four digit guns are third gen. None of the first three generations were "tupperware guns" i.e. plastic or polymer.

 

[Ruger Nut]

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Awww... I can't do it.

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I'm glad you posted this because I did not how to post pics that way.

 

[Lost Lake]

I think you may be mistaken...or maybe I am. It is my understanding that the four digit guns are third gen. None of the first three generations were "tupperware guns" i.e. plastic or polymer.

Sir, I am never mistaken.

What I would like to say, if you have an M&P and the gun is not metal, it is definitely a third gen gun.

Here is K22fan giving an excellent explanation:


"First generation" refers to S&W's first DA auto, the model 39 introduced in the 1950s, its double stack derivative, the 59, introduced in the early 1970s, and the 39's SA target gun variations, most notably the .38 spl. model 52. DA models made after a firing pin blocking saftey plunger was added in the slides are called 2nd generation and have 3 digit model numbers like 439, 459 etc. Compact DA 9 millimeters, the full size .45 DA 645 pistol and the SA 745 target were added during 2nd generation production. Approximately 1990 the DA pistol line was upgraded with an advertising campain touting them as 3rd generation guns. The most obvious change was a wrap around plastic grip that functions as a mainspring housing and back strap. Models without a manual safety were introduced in DA only and DA/SA with a frame mounted decocker. Also 10 mm and .40 S&W models were added and the SA 845 bullseye pistol. For 3rd. gen. pistols S&W used a 4 digit model numbering system. The 4 digits were a code that described features of the many variations S&W introduced in the early 1990s. The 4 digit code is a little confusing, a couple of 3rd gen. autos retained their 3 digit code, and some economy 3rd gen. models were given 3 digit model numbers like 457 then later names like Chief Special. So far as I know, there isn't a "4th generation" in S&W lexicon. The limited numbers of metal frame DA autos still produced to fill large orders are 3rd. generation guns. The 1911s, Sigmas, M&Ps, and what ever other polymer framed autos S&W makes are not decendants of the original model 39.

 

[rock54]

uh

try again and again and

 

[rock54]

try again and again and

hey guys, there is the empty foam area--ideas?

thanks

 

[WR Moore]

Kinda looks like someone threw a piece of foam from a LE version into your case, the unused cutout being intended for a third magazine. The big cutout for the backstraps is strange too, might be production changes in the foam factory. The early method to hold backstraps was parallel cuts the the edges of the inserts went into.

BTW, there have been some parts revisions in the various early M&P production runs, causing some slight changes in various parts. The MP-Pistol website may still have a running list. I'm aware of slight changes in the striker, slide stop spring, sear block and the slide stop notch profile in the slide. S&W should be able to advise you if there are any specific revisions on your particular example since yours left the factory.

 

[rock54]

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Hey Lake----I feel like such a DA---I should have scrolled---but you still left me guessing with having to have 10 characters----Thanks 4 the help!!

 

[rock54]

thanks WR--I called S&W and they say the gun never had any recalls, and I know it is new by the lack of wear. So, time to shoot some rounds.

 

[rock54]

here

she is in all her glory---I dunno why, but I just liked the earth brown color. It's kinda like my neighbor, all he buys is white vehicles, and I am sayin to myself, why?

 

[WR Moore]

The earth brown frame & thumb safe may explain some of the shelf time.

Parts revisions aren't the same thing as a recall. They're frequently product improvements as a result of lessons learned from a new product in large scale service.

 

[Lost Lake]

The earth brown frame & thumb safe may explain some of the shelf time.

ZING!!!

Thanks for the pic rock. The foam has changed a bit. I'd call and ask about revisions also. The striker was upgraded I think. If you send it in for a stiff trigger or something I bet it will come back with all revisions done a probably a new mag.

 

[rock54]

Maybe WR, if that is so, why is everyone sold out of them?

Lake, I didn't know you could send the gun in for revisions, what is the turn around time for that?

 

[Ruger Nut]

Maybe WR, if that is so, why is everyone sold out of them?

Lake, I didn't know you could send the gun in for revisions, what is the turn around time for that?

Most likely 2-3 weeks.BTW,nice looking gun ya got there.

 

[427mach1]

if you have an M&P and the gun is not metal, it is definitely a third gen gun

Nope. Read the quote you inserted.

1st generation - 2 digit, such as model 39
2nd generation - 3 digit, such as 439
3rd generation - 4 digit, such as 3913.

Your quote even states that the poly frame S&W's are not a decendent of the model 39. If it's not a decendent, it's not a member of any of the 3 generations. The M&P is a completely new design with no parts interchangeable with any other pistol.

 

[Lost Lake]

So my M&P's are NOT 3rd gens???
But they are not 4th gens either, because there is no 4th generation.

So what are they? 1st gen tupperware?

 

[427mach1]

Once they started making polymer pistols, I don't think they gave them a nickname or generation designation. An M&P is an M&P, a Sigma is a Sigma, the SW99 is an SW99. None of them are really related as far as I know and no parts interchange.

 

[Martya]

Rock54, your case and foam look just like mine. When I was shopping for my current full size 45 last year, there were two slots in the foam for mags, and one slot was empty. One of the mags was in the gun. The other foam slot has some extra 'tear-off' pieces for some other use.

The first-fired shell casing in my box was over a year old at date of purchase, but the gun and everything was new.

S&W has terrific customer service - I had a sticky trigger on my M&P45FS and they took it back and made it a lot better. They included 2 more mags in the return box. Now I have 4. No charge!

Can't yet give the M&P a generation number yet. Did the participants of WW1 call it World War "1"?

Ya got a nice gun - shoot more worry less!

 

[S. Kelly]

Nice handgun. I always liked the OD M&P45s.

 

[S&Wnewb]

Rock54, your case and foam look just like mine. When I was shopping for my current full size 45 last year, there were two slots in the foam for mags, and one slot was empty. One of the mags was in the gun. The other foam slot has some extra 'tear-off' pieces for some other use.

This is how mine came that I purchased this summer. That other slot, to my knowledge is for another magazine. I believe it is slightly thinner, just because it has not been stretched by having a magazine held in it.