Should I trust the Airline with my gun.

Scott, I'm confused about something. If you have had an interruption in your travel plan and you end up with a cancelled flight and spend the night in a hotel don't you have to go to the counter to get new boarding passes. You will never get to the gate with last nights boarding passes. You will never get on a plane without new boarding passes. I have been sent to the hotel with nothing and told to come back in the morning and we will get you a flight. Sometimes they will tell you we have a flight for you but can't issue boarding passes yet. So you will go to the counter.
Item two. When you started travel the day before You did declare your weapon at that time. It is noted on your record. They do know you have a gun in your bag.

1. Something tells me you haven't traveled much lately, or ever with a firearm. I haven't printed a boarding pass in 5 years. I always pull them up on my phone. And if I did need to print one, I would simply go to a kiosk and print a boarding pass. No talkee to anyone. I travel **all the time**, as in multiple times each month. Unfortunately, that means I get cancelled/rerouted/etc. **all the time**, including just this week (thanks a lot, AA). I have never just gone to the airport without a flight. That why airlines have phone numbers, and smartphone apps.
2. "It is noted on your record?" What record? When I declare a firearm, they hand me and I fill out a dec form that goes in my bag. End of story. And even if it was "in my record," what matter? As long as the bag is not in my possession, I have violated no laws. There's no "you must go get your bag" law. My hand is never touching the handle of that bag behind enemy lines.

Think about the guy who sparked the conversation on all of this. Flight from Minneapolis to Newark was late, so he missed his connection to Allentown (his destination). Airline decided to bus them all to Allentown, PA (Not NJ. That's important). He got off the bus because he was worried his bag/gun didn't make it on the bus, then missed his bus, and after he retrieved his bag/gun, took it to a hotel. Went to the airport the next day. Remember, the bells went off when he reported to the ticket agent (as he was required to do) that he was traveling with a gun. The alarms didn't go off when he picked up his luggage. Who knows, maybe it wasn't "in his record."

I'll bet a LOT of bags missed the bus. I'll be a LOT of bags eventually found their way to their owners.

So, let's say this guy had done this: He forgets about his bag and just gets on the bus. He ends up in PA. What happens?

1. His bag shows up in PA, either because it was on the bus, or because the airline found the bag, read the barcode, and sent it along, or because they found the bag, read the barcode, and called him and said, "we have your bag, where do you want it sent?" He's safe. Winner.
2. His bags shows up back at his starting point, after they find the bag and read the barcode. He's safe. Winner.
3. The bag never shows up. The tag is torn off. Someone steals it. It's lost to the airline gods. He files a claim(s). Maybe he gets some money back. Maybe not. No matter. He's out the cost of the gun (and ammo) and some underwear. He does not spend 10 days in jail in NJ, and does not spend thousands (hundreds of thousands?) in legal fees. Still Winner.

Heck, let's try this: He gets off the bus, retrieves his bag, walks over to the rental counter, throws his bag in the rental, and drives one way to Allentown. Even if he rents the most expensive car he can find, still a Winner.

As I said, it's my plan. Not for everyone, obviously, but it's A plan. Guy who started this had no plan. He was connecting through Newark, with a firearm, and he hadn't thought about it at all. For that, I guess we all owe him a debt of gratitude, because it taught us the need for a plan.
 
ScottS - many thanks for outlining and explaining The Plan.

I've only flown once with a gun - nonstop on SW from STL to SEA - and it was a nonevent. I affirmatively avoid going to the eastern states that are enemy territory for gun owners but recognize it's still possible to end up there unintentionally. Should I ever find myself in one of those places while travelling with a gun, I expect I'll follow your advice and just leave the luggage with the airline and let them get it to me (hopefully.)
 
ScottS - many thanks for outlining and explaining The Plan.

I've only flown once with a gun - nonstop on SW from STL to SEA - and it was a nonevent. I affirmatively avoid going to the eastern states that are enemy territory for gun owners but recognize it's still possible to end up there unintentionally. Should I ever find myself in one of those places while travelling with a gun, I expect I'll follow your advice and just leave the luggage with the airline and let them get it to me (hopefully.)


Just a plan. There are many like it, but this one is mine. :)
 
Unless you have a target on your back, are involved with the mob or drug cartel, or heading to a bad neighborhood in a crime ridden city, I think it would just be easier to leave it at home and not have it to worry about. Remember stress kills too and probably much more often than violence.
 
Unless you have a target on your back, are involved with the mob or drug cartel, or heading to a bad neighborhood in a crime ridden city, I think it would just be easier to leave it at home and not have it to worry about. Remember stress kills too and probably much more often than violence.


Trouble with that attitude is you just really don't know when and why someone will decide to take a shot at you . . .
 
I don't trust the airlines to simply give me pretzels instead of peanuts. :rolleyes:
 
Unless you have a target on your back, are involved with the mob or drug cartel, or heading to a bad neighborhood in a crime ridden city, I think it would just be easier to leave it at home and not have it to worry about. Remember stress kills too and probably much more often than violence.

This is why I never carry a firearm. I am always more concerned that the stress of dealing with carrying it will kill me long before I could ever use it to defend myself, a loved one, or some other innocent person.

FN NOT
 
This is why I never carry a firearm. I am always more concerned that the stress of dealing with carrying it will kill me long before I could ever use it to defend myself, a loved one, or some other innocent person.

FN NOT

I don't recall anyone mentioning being stressed by just carrying. Unless I missed something, I think this thread had to do with the issues that could arise attempting to take a firearm on a plane. :confused:
 
I don't recall anyone mentioning being stressed by just carrying. Unless I missed something, I think this thread had to do with the issues that could arise attempting to take a firearm on a plane. :confused:

I believe his post was sarcasm, at least that is the way I took it.
 
I don't recall anyone mentioning being stressed by just carrying. Unless I missed something, I think this thread had to do with the issues that could arise attempting to take a firearm on a plane. :confused:

Although it's always hard to discern tone in a post, I think what he meant was that your argument:

Unless you have a target on your back, are involved with the mob or drug cartel, or heading to a bad neighborhood in a crime ridden city, I think it would just be easier to leave it at home and not have it to worry about.

Is the same argument anti's use against carry of any sort. You could directly lift your argument and insert it into any concealed carry debate. Until scumbags pre-announce when they're going to strike, you really can't us that logic.

PLUS, lots of people hunt, compete (I shoot 3-gun), or travel with a gun for any number of reasons that have nothing to do with "having a target on their back or being involved with the mob or a drug cartel."
 
Not sure about things now, but when we lived in Fl we sometimes used the Miami airport. It was common back then for people to get robbed leaving the airport in a vehicle. The scum would bump the rear of the car leaving the airport, and then take all the valuables at gun, or knife point.
 
PLUS, lots of people hunt, compete (I shoot 3-gun), or travel with a gun for any number of reasons that have nothing to do with "having a target on their back or being involved with the mob or a drug cartel."

But I'm referring to the OP's post mentioning not being comfortable being unarmed for 2 weeks.
 

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