Should My New M&P Sport II Look Like This?
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amazingflapjack
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Appears to be a used or defective unit-I would let them have it back.
Rick_A
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You should just clean and shoot it. That's the way it should look.
The guns are not works of art or fine collectibles. The only thing out of the ordinary are the couple small cosmetic blemishes. Wipe them with oil and they may dissappear. If not, I'd not worry.
Since the advent of the internet, inexpensive digital cameras and folks obsessed with perfection on regular production firearms, I've noticed all manor of tiny cosmetic inconsistencies in various firearms, especially on AR-15's...and I think those people are warped.
Every AR or AR upper I've purchased has signs of being test fired with what appears to be the filthiest ammunition imaginable.
As others said, clean it thoroughly, especially the chamber, lube it, and enjoy.
The most common problem I've seen with those guns in the castle nut coming loose on the extension tube (buffer tube). You may want to check that for tightness and stake it deeper if it is lightly staked.
There's nothing there worth fretting about.
If it was a Ruger they'd probably replace the gun (or half of it in parts), but S&W's CS people have a little more common sense and I respect that.
I don't own a cosmetically perfect gun, not even those classic guns "made like they used to" everyone laments about.
The guns are not works of art or fine collectibles. The only thing out of the ordinary are the couple small cosmetic blemishes. Wipe them with oil and they may dissappear. If not, I'd not worry.
Since the advent of the internet, inexpensive digital cameras and folks obsessed with perfection on regular production firearms, I've noticed all manor of tiny cosmetic inconsistencies in various firearms, especially on AR-15's...and I think those people are warped.
Every AR or AR upper I've purchased has signs of being test fired with what appears to be the filthiest ammunition imaginable.
As others said, clean it thoroughly, especially the chamber, lube it, and enjoy.
The most common problem I've seen with those guns in the castle nut coming loose on the extension tube (buffer tube). You may want to check that for tightness and stake it deeper if it is lightly staked.
There's nothing there worth fretting about.
If it was a Ruger they'd probably replace the gun (or half of it in parts), but S&W's CS people have a little more common sense and I respect that.
I don't own a cosmetically perfect gun, not even those classic guns "made like they used to" everyone laments about.
What leads you to believe it is defective?
bigggbbruce
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Disabled1
US Veteran
If it were a Ruger, it would look NOTHING like this "PEA OH ES" this guy got suckered into buying! I know, I just recently bought a Ruger AR-556. It had that nasty thick lube on some parts, but other than that, it was clean! And, on the OP's Sport, it has a lot of burrs and machine marks that could have been cleaned up a little bit better had S&W's QC didn't suck so much! This must be why S&W Sport 2 AR's are so cheap in price; they cut corners so much!
I see these replies some members are giving and I am SMH! Some of you act the same or worse than Glock pistol worshipers, but, you are a S&W Glock A Holic! Yeah, I own a S&W Sport 1, but when I bought it new almost 3 years ago, I checked it over at my FFL and it was darn near perfect!
Say what you want about me, I really don't care. But, this guy got a "IMO" used Sport 2!
OP, lesson learned. The only thing you can do now is suck it up and carry on. But, if it were me, I would be burning the S&W phone line up trying to get it back to them to "FINISH" the job they started when building your AR!
Rick_A
Member
The Ruger is not in any way better. The guns that come painted look terrible.
Being a fan is one thing, but let's not get carried away. I'd call them comparable.
Being a fan is one thing, but let's not get carried away. I'd call them comparable.
Disabled1
US Veteran
Hey, it is what it is. They put lipstick on the OP's AR pig to make it look good.
And, I am NO fan of the Sport 2. I am a fan of the Sport 1. That's an AR built in the time when S&W actually CARED!
Disabled1
US Veteran
And, my mind must be extremely warped then! I expect my firearms to be new if it is being sold to me new! NO marks, blemishes, scratches, etc. If you buy a new car or truck, will you want it scratched, dirty, or any other blemishes on it? Will you take it home and say,"Ah well, it's going to happen one day anyway, it's better now than later. Um, no, but HELL NO!
cyphertext
US Veteran
Firearms come dirty. They don't clean them after test firing. They slap on the packing grease and send them out the door... even Ruger. My brand new Ruger American .308 had a dirty barrel and residue on the bolt face. Clearly has been shot at the factory. Ruger claims to pressure test each barrel and bolt on the AR-556... they will get dirty in that process.
My Ruger American also has spots on the barrel where it is worn... but I bought the display model from Walmart, and for less than $200, I ain't complaining!
I don't see any machine marks in the pics. I do see some wear on the bolt carrier... which is normal. Moving metal on metal parts are going to show a little wear and a shiny spot. That will happen on test firing, as well as working the action.
I do see some spots where it appears that the finish is either uneven or worn. OP, was this a display gun, or was it in the box with the seal broken in front of you? The marks on the upper look like they could have come from being in a rack, or rubbing up against something. The area on the lower looks like many ARs... clean it and apply a little oil or CLP to the area. If that doesn't take care of it, contact S&W again.
cyphertext
US Veteran
Ok, well in that case... call them back and tell them that you are unhappy with it. Hopefully, they will make it right for you.
Moe Mentum
Member
Mine came that way too. Its from the factory test fire. Barrel was filthy, just clean it and move on.
MichiganScott
Member
We buy S&W Sports because they are inexpensive. You can't expect the fit and finish to be as good as on a rifle costing three times as much.
The telling photo is image #3. The amount of brass on the bolt is indicative of less than five rounds fired and is insignificant. The roughness of the bolt will remove brass from the next round in the magazine just like rubbing it on sandpaper. I have a high end M&P15 and the bottom of the bolt is polished and still shows a bit of brass whenever shot.
The telling photo is image #3. The amount of brass on the bolt is indicative of less than five rounds fired and is insignificant. The roughness of the bolt will remove brass from the next round in the magazine just like rubbing it on sandpaper. I have a high end M&P15 and the bottom of the bolt is polished and still shows a bit of brass whenever shot.
I can feel your anxiety from here, and from where I sit I complete understand. I bought a M&P15 PSX from a gun show last September and found almost EXACTLY the same fouling, though, mine looked dry where yours looks wet. I thought "Hey, a new gun shouldn't look like a hundred rounds went down its throat last week... hmmmmmm".
I have so far 800 rounds through mine without a single hiccup, and out of curiosity last time I went to the range I opened it up, "immaculated" the bolt, re-assembled and fired twice. After those two rounds my bolt face, ejector claw, feed ramp, and a couple of lugs in the lock, all had the brass you show. when I saw your pics I thought you had found pics of my gun.
Perhaps what you are seeing should encourage you, more than anything. It says that someone took the time (even on a busy, busy production line) to slow it down, fit and finish, and operate your potentially dangerous machinery - if for no other reason than to ensure that it would function correctly without any major malfunctions when you took it from the store to the range in an excitedly flustered escapade (don't laugh, it happens). I for one find fault only in the fact that it didn't come out of that scenario looking like a Henry Goldenboy...
No sir, IMHO you got a perfectly fine rifle that shows even in our fast paced world, some places still care that stuff still works correctly.
As stated above, go put some holes in the wind, and smile about it. >B-)
I have so far 800 rounds through mine without a single hiccup, and out of curiosity last time I went to the range I opened it up, "immaculated" the bolt, re-assembled and fired twice. After those two rounds my bolt face, ejector claw, feed ramp, and a couple of lugs in the lock, all had the brass you show. when I saw your pics I thought you had found pics of my gun.
Perhaps what you are seeing should encourage you, more than anything. It says that someone took the time (even on a busy, busy production line) to slow it down, fit and finish, and operate your potentially dangerous machinery - if for no other reason than to ensure that it would function correctly without any major malfunctions when you took it from the store to the range in an excitedly flustered escapade (don't laugh, it happens). I for one find fault only in the fact that it didn't come out of that scenario looking like a Henry Goldenboy...
No sir, IMHO you got a perfectly fine rifle that shows even in our fast paced world, some places still care that stuff still works correctly.
As stated above, go put some holes in the wind, and smile about it. >B-)
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Your pictures of the bolt face and chamber show typical brass imprints from proof firing and function testing. The brass on the bottom of the carrier is from the carrier rubbing on the cartridges in the magazine during function firing.
Not really a big deal, you're supposed to clean a new rifle before firing anyway.
Remember that the manufacturers get about 40% of MSRP when they sell the item to the distributor.
Not really a big deal, you're supposed to clean a new rifle before firing anyway.
Remember that the manufacturers get about 40% of MSRP when they sell the item to the distributor.
Moe Mentum
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You should be happy they test fired it. At least you know it works.
In a word, Yes.
