Should very large handgun magazines be heavily regulated

[9mmPatriot]

*EXPLETIVE* NO!
I'm not a criminal so don't punish me!


Use a gun in a crime 25 years.
Kill someone with a gun? Family gets to use the same one on you.


Stop punishing the WRONG PEOPLE.

 

[Golddollar]

I'm sure that we will all be safer when the 32 snail drum magazines for Lugers are all in the governmental blast furnace (yeah, right).

 

[crows]

Guideline sentencing range for simple felon-in-possession is 10 to 78 months in prison. If possessing a loaded very large capacity handgun magazine on the street or in the passenger compartment of a car was a mandatory 10 year sentence, my guess is that the criminal element would take notice.

So, what with the moves in various parts of our country to no bail required for release, no incarceration for "low-level" crimes, etc., you really expect something like a "mandatory" 10 year sentence for possession of a magazine to ever be upheld? That is just another example of feel good legislation that some politician promotes that is designed to: 1) be a band-aid approach to the massive hemorrhaging of uncontrol violence in this country, and 2) get them votes for being tough on "gun crime".
This logic ranks right up there with, "come on, you really think you NEED an AR15"? Think about that, if a 40-50 round magazine is innately criminal, how can you defend private ownership of a "weapon of war" like an AR15?

 

[Wingmaster]

Absolutely not. Why would you punish me for the crime of someone else?

 

[johngalt]

We have a Bill of Rights, not a Bill of Needs.

The exercise of one's rights requires no justification.

 

[ladder13]

No- the "suspect" that murdered the Officer should get the electric chair.

The thugs weapon was already outlawed in NYC

00 Buckshot in the mouth is much cheaper.

 

[9mmPatriot]

00 Buckshot in the mouth is much cheaper.

Dunno...shotgun ammo is 'spensive.


Piano Wire and rusty butter knives?
I know a guy....

 

[ladder13]

Dunno...shotgun ammo is 'spensive.


Piano Wire and rusty butter knives?
I know a guy....

Your method sounds pretty good.

 

[9mmPatriot]

Your method sounds pretty good.

Don't ask, don't felon.

 

[shell627]

This will probably get me in trouble again. But poster is from New Jersey the camel has crawled into the tent there.He needs to understand this is a gun owner and carrier forum.And it doesn’t matter if the magazines holds 7 rounds or fifty.A criminal is still a criminal the number of rounds in a magazine are not the ones breaking the law. (It is the CRIMINAL! Not the object)

 

[Beemerguy53]

Guideline sentencing range for simple felon-in-possession is 10 to 78 months in prison. If possessing a loaded very large capacity handgun magazine on the street or in the passenger compartment of a car was a mandatory 10 year sentence, my guess is that the criminal element would take notice.

The real point of my post is that although I believe the Second Amendment protects the right of ordinary people to carry firearms outside the home for self defense, I feel there is something about a 50 (or even a 40) round handgun magazine that makes it different.

Bushmaster, I give you credit for opening the door to this sort of discussion, knowing the brickbats that would be coming your way. While the pro-2A side of me says we have far too much regulation of firearms as it is, I get your point.

When a hoplophobe says to me "why do you need a semi-automatic?" or "why do you need a 30-round magazine in that AR-15?" I can easily articulate the answer. It's a lot less easy to do that with things like bump stocks and the mag that guy had in his Glock.

My usual answer when challenged in this manner is that no one "needs" a 200 mph supercar, or 5000 square foot home, or a supercomputer...but in this country, we allow people to own what they want (within reason) and hold them accountable when they misuse it.

 

[Beemerguy53]

...Laws protect the lawbreaker, not the citizen. Without laws we would be able to address lawbreakers at our discretion rather than the punishment being limited by prosecutor and statute.

You know, that's a very interesting point. I love it when somebody makes me see something in a different light...thanks!

 

[Beemerguy53]

“Last night a shot from an illegal gun took an NYPDs officer’s life”. Let that stupid quote from New York’s governor sink in.

Makes you want to scream, doesn't it?

 

[Beemerguy53]

Gangbangers love high capacity handgun mags (20 rounds plus).

Yes they do.

Urban gangbangers are to law abiding gun owners what biker gangs are to ordinary motorcyclists: They are not gun enthusiasts...they are criminals who use guns as accessories and tools to support their violent lifestyles.

They are not NRA members, and they don't care about gun laws. They don't know the difference between bluing and parkerizing. They don't appreciate the beauty of an engraved revolver. They have no idea what you're referring to if you talk about a "registered Magnum". They don't know, or care, who John Browning or Samuel Colt or Jeff Cooper were. They can't discuss the merits of Winchester Silvertips versus Federal Hydra-Shoks. They have no idea what "minute of angle" means. They don't know what an x-ring is...

They love guns that "look cool" in their eyes, and extended magazines on plastic guns, in their culture, convey that sense of menace they want to project.

It angers me beyond words that we all are being made to pay the price for this...

 

[LoboGunLeather]

News flash! Murder has been illegal since Moses was a little boy. Caine didn't use a large capacity magazine to ambush his brother Abel.

Inanimate objects have no capacity for evil or good. Only humans have such capacities.

 

[ancient-one]

Bushmaster, I give you credit for opening the door to this sort of discussion, knowing the brickbats that would be coming your way. While the pro-2A side of me says we have far too much regulation of firearms as it is, I get your point.

When a hoplophobe says to me "why do you need a semi-automatic?" or "why do you need a 30-round magazine in that AR-15?" I can easily articulate the answer. It's a lot less easy to do that with things like bump stocks and the mag that guy had in his Glock.

My usual answer when challenged in this manner is that no one "needs" a 200 mph supercar, or 5000 square foot home, or a supercomputer...but in this country, we allow people to own what they want (within reason) and hold them accountable when they misuse it.

Referring to to your last sentence. To many times they are not held accountable. As was said in a previous post, a movement to lessen bails and sentencing is working across the country. It was pushed in Oklahoma
by a ex legislator and a ex district atty. It is a nationwide attempt by some group.

 

[sipowicz]

That skell had the element of surprise in a narrow hallway on his side, not the 50 round mag which is really just a novelty that makes the gun unwieldy and less likely to shoot accurately. Most everyone here would best that mutt in a high noon scenario with 44 less rounds.

 

[Beemerguy53]

That skell had the element of surprise in a narrow hallway on his side, not the 50 round mag which is really just a novelty that makes the gun unwieldy and less likely to shoot accurately. Most everyone here would best that mutt in a high noon scenario with 44 less rounds.

Posts like this ^ make me wish we had a "love" icon available for response...

 

[Greyman50]

You can Not legislate Morality.

 

[Biggfoot44]

NO !!!!!!!!!!!!

And I'm confident and comfortable with Revolvers and Single Stacks .

* I do not personally know Mr 1313 , nor am I a mindreader . This and closely related subjects come up regularly , and are debated fiercely . I am here discussing the topic generally , and not any personal attack on Mr 1313 . *

In New York State , it's already illegal to have more than Seven rounds in any firearm ( with certain exceptions for 10 on certain shooting competitions , on certain formal ranges , in certain circumstances .)

Possession of any Firearm by any Felon is already illegal .

Murder is already illegal .
Aggrivated Assault is already illegal .
One more layer of being extra illegal on top of already facing Life sentence won't deter them.

IF BG's are going to be shooting at me , I would rather have them using less reliable gimmick magizine , than an OEM . For matter , I'd rather they Spray & Pray that actually aim at me .

These type of ideas coming from gun owners owners usually have two different basises - " I'm happy with XYZ firearms and related equipment , so everybody should be like me , and outlaw everything I don't like myself " , or a desire that we just throw EFG under the bus , anti gunners will suddenly love us , and subsequently leave us alone forever after .

Don't work that way . ( I've been heavily involved with lobbying these things over time .)

They get their way on one thing , then when it obviously has no effect , two years llater at most , they're back. The step they got obviously was right idea , just not extreme enough , and they are further emboldened by the previous succuess/ surrender by our side .

If the limit is already 7 , how much lower ? 5 rounds ? 3 rounds ? Half the chambers of Revolver cylinders welded shut ? Single Shots only ? Flintlocks only ?

No amount of appeasement will ever satisfy the Forces of Evil , until at minimum single shot .22lr is regulated as NFA .