Shoulder Holster Opinions; FINAL UPDATE Post 58

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or other options for concealed carry when waist carry becomes difficult or impossible. Due to age and infirmities, it has become very difficult for me to carry as I have for over fifty years, which involves generally belt carry, IWB or OWB, at about four o'clock. I have made adjustments with holsters and locations, adding Perry Suspenders to the equasion around 15 years ago, that have improved existing issues.

At this point in time, due to two compressed vertebrae in my lower back as well as recurring sciatic nerve pain and joint discomfort in general every where, it has become very painful for me to carry in my location of choice. Pocket carry is seldom a viable option for me. My britches have always been snug due to the way I'm built, and that includes the pockets, plus I have important stuff to carry in my pockets. I have always been oversquare, thick and wide from top to bottom. Big boned and stout and yes, kinda fat!!! Where my holster rides when it works well for me has resulted in pressure being placed so that it aggravates my sciatic nerve in my right leg, plus having carried the weight of either a full sized duty revolver plus various lighter revolvers and semi autos in a concealed mode for all these years contributes to lots of painful discomfort.

I'm wide enough that I sure don't need anything to make me wider. Doorways are generally a one way proposition for me, and I take up both lanes through the doorway! I have been considering the idea of a shoulder holster of some sort. My carry piece is most often a steel framed Model 640-1, supplemented by a Shield 45 or sometimes a Shield 9. Yes, I have airweight Centennial J frames, and they are indeed lighter, but they are no more compressible in a holster than are the steel frames, inside or outside my belt. The semi autos are a bit flatter but still have become nearly intolerable.

So, finally, I would like to hear experienced opinions from those of you who regularly or often wear shoulder holsters. My experience with this type of holster occurred many years ago, and I know that some things have changed over the years. I hope so, since my earlier experience was not great! But I was not motivated then as I am now.

I'm broad across the shoulders and thick chested, so the harness must fit me and be comfortable. I am used to wearing a cover garment so that's not a big part of the problem, except of course in the summer time, when I would hope that I could wear the shoulder holster over a tee shirt underneath a suitable casual or dress shirt, tail in or tail out. I'm certain there will be a bulge under my arm but I'm not too worried about that since most concealed firearms create a bulge or a slight print. But to me, other than that, concealed means concealed. Access to the gun is important, of course, as is the safety of the carry method and security of the weapon however it is carried. And as all of us who carry all day every day know, comfort (as much as is possible) is also a primary concern.

What do you like best, upside down carry, vertical barrel down carry, or horizontal carry, and why? I think I would prefer the holster side to be anchored by a strap to my waist belt, and I would also like the weak hand side of the harness to be anchored to the waist belt in the same manner. Of course, the anchor strap could not be used if one wore the holster underneath a tucked shirt. I wear a vest of some kind except on the hottest of days as a general rule so I would prefer the gun to hang low enough not to be visible through the arm holes of my vest. Even if there are times when a vest or an untucked shirt cannot be worn as cover, those times will not be the large percentage of the time.

I've talked enough to give you an idea of what I'm asking, too long probably. Thanks for reading this far. I will appreciate any suggestions or advice you may have from experience. I hate to start buying different brands and types just to find what works best. I know my final answer may require some trial and error because all of us have different sizes, requirements, and likes and dislikes.

Please list brand names and pertinent info about the style and kind you like best. There may be some older models not currently made but still available. A custom maker is NOT out of the question if that maker knows what they are doing! No nylon holsters will be considered!!! Pictures would be great. Thanks very much for your help!
 
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I wore this Galco for years, but for different reasons. I am basically lazy, and the ability to put everything on (gun, mags, badge, cuffs) and take everything off at once appealed to me.

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I liked it. I drove the range guys crazy when I would qualify with it, and they would stick me on the far left position, which was fine with me since I never got pelted with brass there. I also enjoyed all the pearl-clutching and oh-I-nevahs from folks concerned my Sig was pointed at anyone standing behind me.

I wear one now sometimes, mostly because I hate to wear a belt. After months of being outbid for pit-stained relic Berns-Martin holsters, I just bought this new one from Lithuania on eBay for about 35 bucks. It is a great piece of gear. I can tell the Model 19 is there, but it's not uncomfortable at all. Either of your carry choices would be a breeze.

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I can wear it over a t-shirt and under an unbuttoned regular shirt. It's great if nature calls while I'm out and about. And now I'm only pointed at my own armpit, so everyone can relax. I've never used the belt attachments, and have never wished I had.

They take some getting used to, but can be worth the effort. Good luck on your quest.
 
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Looks like the BM holster rides fairly high which should make pulling the revolver forward and down (right?) would be easy? Do you have experience with how long the elastic retains its retention ability well? I am pretty sure I prefer the revolver to be vertical and don't have a problem with up or down. I like this holster because it would retain my Centennial model just as well as it would one with an exposed hammer. Thanks for the good pictures and your comments!
 
Bianchi 9 series (9, 9R, 9R2) have springs rather than elastic for retention but only for revolvers.

X15s work good for larger revolvers but supposedly top out at a 48" chest. I use a medium for M18/629 and any other 4" barrel. Works well and you forget you have it on.

Best tip I ever got about them was have somebody help you get it adjusted because the put it on, take it off and adjust and repeat just don't cut it IMHO.

Used good condition X15s can be found much cheaper than 9 series and you don't worry about worn out elastic on Safariland products.
 
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Looks like the BM holster rides fairly high which should make pulling the revolver forward and down (right?) would be easy? Do you have experience with how long the elastic retains its retention ability well? I am pretty sure I prefer the revolver to be vertical and don't have a problem with up or down. I like this holster because it would retain my Centennial model just as well as it would one with an exposed hammer. Thanks for the good pictures and your comments!

It takes a good tug and a pull toward the front. The trigger guard clears the leather as the elastic near the rear sight flexes. It ain't falling out on its own. The elastic doesn't retain the gun - all that leather around the trigger guard does. I'm not sure how long the elastic lasts, but judging by some of the old holsters I looked at it must be a while.
 
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Ken,

Like sigp220.45,

I too sometime wear a shoulder holster made like his black one.

Get along with it purty good. I carry mostly an Airweight or Colt Corba.

But do confess, to carrying a Stainless Colt DS sumtimes too.


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Many moons ago I used a shoulder holster in a PC (used to mean plainclothes) assignment. It too was the X15 mentioned above. The main downside was security, I always worried about a gun grab if scuffling with an arrestee. That and the fact that my arms seemed to get shorter as my girth increased, took that holster out of everyday use.


My lasting memory of that type of holster was the wailing cries from a partner who carried a (up to that point) flawless Colt Python in that model holster. He broke the hammer spur off when it hit the concrete, and scraped the side and cylinder as it bounced along the pavement. It somehow got caught on the (car) shoulder belt as he was energetically exiting the driver's seat.
 
I have Bianchi X15 and AE Nelson Untouchable vertical shoulder holsters.
I like the Untouchable holsters the best. I like the "C" spring around the cyl. the shoulder straps are leather and they have a belt tie down on the off side. With a tie down on the holster and a tie down on the off side they double as suspenders. Larry
 
My body shape...

...makes shoulder holsters preferable. I have a Remora that I like.

Also, if you want comfort and are wearing a closed jacket, Kangaroo Carry makes an elastic one that they say sky marshals use because they have to wear them a long time but don't move around much.

If you are doing anything more active than just walking or sitting, it wouldn't be good, but dang the thing is comfortable.
 
I don't use a revolver in a shoulder holster so all of my comments are for auto's......

When I am driving I much prefer a good shoulder holster. No interferance with seatbelts etc.

As far as muzzle position, I seem to prefer the muzzle facing rearward for me. Also, I much prefer the magazines to be parallel with my belt instead of perpendicular with the magazine pouch being anchored to my belt for stability as well as less movement.

It was mentioned in an earlier post to have some one assist in the actual adjusting of the harness until you find the sweet spot you are looking for.

Once you are done with the trial and error of adjusting you will find as I did that it can be very comfortable.

I too like being able to have everything I need in one set up. My full size/commander 1911 is quite often carried in a shoulder harness.

The shoulder holster also works very well when you have a restroom call.

Works well for me.....maybe it is a good solution for you as well.

Randy
 
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In the olden days, I wore a ******* rig. The ******* Leather Co. became Galco. I still like their Miami Classic rig. And they have brought back their signature ******* rig. It crosses on your back. Allows you to carry spare mags or speed loaders on the side opposite the gun. Once adjusted properly to fit, it is balanced with weight distribution on both sides. I use the ******* rig with a full size 1911. I use the Miami Classic with a smaller semi auto. And I feel like Sonny Crockett on Miami Vice. Don Johnson wore one on the show.
 
I have the same issues w/respect to belt carry so I pocket carry all the time, but I’m kind of skinny so it works. During my 30 year career I tried a few shoulder rigs but could never find one that worked, on or off duty. I have a vertical shoulder rig for my J frame hanging in the closet that I never could get used to so I may be the odd man out here.
 
Galco Miami Classic is comfortable with a 1911 size handgun. I’ve worn both vertical and horizontal and to me, horizontal carry is more concealable than vertical. I broke my L4 vertebrae and right hip. Before having those replaced with synthetic joints, I too could not tolerate wearing a belt, let alone a belt gun.

I don’t know what your build is, but I’m barrel chested. I could still conceal the Miami Classic under a button up shirt that was one size too big for me. West Texas is warm (I really like the Alpine/Marathon area), so summer carry will be a challenge.
 
Hi Kthom:

I also have back and hip issues which makes OWB holster carry difficult for me with the exception of Airweight J-frames (I use either a Bianchi 55L lighting' holster, or a DeSantis Combat Master). My primary mode of carry is pocket carry using DeSantis Nemesis holsters - my EDC is a Model 38 Bodyguard and a Model 638 Bodyguard. I'm short and stocky but used a shoulder holster quite a bit until switching to pocket carry. Two shoulder holsters that worked well for me was the Bianchi 9 (vertical, upside down holster). I don't think they're currently in production, but you can usually find them used for reasonable prices and have the web straps replaced without much problems.

One advantage the Bianchi 9 has is that I can draw weak hand (left) if need be. The other holster I use is the Null shoulder holster:

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This holster is very lightweight and easy to clean and carry. It has unconventional mounting for the revolver with a proprietary draw stroke. It gets hot and humid here in Central Texas, and I used to wear a colored Under Armor type T-shirt and an untucked and unbuttoned Hawaiian-type shirt as a cover garment. On windy days, I would just button 1 or 2 buttons on the cover shirt and good to go. (By the way, the nylon fishing type shirts also work well as a cover garment.)

Best of luck to you, Ken.

Regards,

Dave
 
Carried a K frame 2" revolver in a Bianchi X-15 back in the 1 970s. Really liked it. Vertical type. They still sell them so a lot of folks must like them. Higher quality leather so they are pricey. Think they run about $150.

I found mine in a pawn shop for $30. I also have a Triple K similar holster for my 6 inch GP. Though a lot depends on the model of gun being carried. A very heavy gun would probably be more comfortable in a bandolier type holster. There are modern versions of the US tank holster also which would be a good option for a 1911.
 
Ken Null SMZ for a 442 for me. The Null holster needs to be secured to the pants at the belt line, so not for everyone.
 
Galco Miami Classic is comfortable with a 1911 size handgun. I’ve worn both vertical and horizontal and to me, horizontal carry is more concealable than vertical.

I second the Miami Classic. I have one with the tie-down straps for the occasional use with my 1911.

More to the point, it sounds like you have but two choices
a) Use a shoulder holster or,
b) Stop carrying.

Assuming that (b) is out of the question....order that shoulder holster!
 
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Like LPD256, I often wore a ******* rig for my 1911s and later, 645/4506 and 4516 when working narcotics first and regular detectives later. Later used the same rigs, but then Galco for my Sig P226 and then Glock 19. I still use the Berns and Martin type for 2" - 2.5" revolvers on occasion. The main reason I carried my guns in shoulder rigs was for comfort while in detectives sitting a chair interviewing or typing a lot of the time. While in narcs, it was because it was just cool, even though it was a few years before Miami Vice came on TV and made it so popular. I need to find one to fit a 3" K-frame.
 
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