yugowego
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This is why i love living out in the sticks with my own range!
"Show clear"
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RedNeck Jim
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Agree. However shooting in the country does not mean we are wild & don't follow safety rules... we just use common sense. Also, we are all friends and think likewise about gun safety. However, knowing people as I do, if I were shooting on a public range with goodness knows who next to me, I think I'd want every gun triple cleared & locked away before I ventured out front. I'm not a trusting soul.
Majorlk
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Agreed, stupid rule.
CrazyFingers
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On the free Department of Natural Resources range I shoot at in the summer (indoor range does not allow 5.56), it's not the other shooters that we have to worry about. It's the brass rats.
We have one guy who shows up without a firearm and no ear protection, then waits for the shooters to call the line clear to check our targets, then runs in front of the line to grab all the empty shells he can. The last time he was there, we all waited...and waited...and waited some more for him to move back behind the line.
Finally, we called the line hot, everyone confirmed "HOT!", and waited for him to move back. He didn't. So I shouted at him "SIR, line is HOT!". He smiled and waved at me, then kept on picking up brass. I honestly think he expected us to just shoot around him.
I shouted "SIR, you're in front of the line, we're going HOT, you need to move BACK".
To which he replied "Man, F*** you!".
At which point all 20 or so shooters on the line put their hands on their holstered sidearms and stared at him. He quickly got a look of understanding on his face, and grumbling under his breath, moved back behind the line. We commenced shooting, and he got in his truck and left.
The level of complete disregard for his own safety and open angry contempt shown to 20 armed men was absolutely astounding.
Yay public ranges!
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RedNeck Jim
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I'm afraid that in Mississippi, someone would have shot at the punk. Not to kill but to reset his thinking. I know for a fact my neighbor would.
Kayback
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And in my neck of the woods that would constitute theft.
Just because my brass has fallen on the floor does not make it your brass.
KBK
Just because my brass has fallen on the floor does not make it your brass.
KBK
I have to keep reminding my son not to pick up the brass without first ASKING if they want it. Seems like at our outdoor range, unless they reload, most don't clean up their mess...
Going in front of the line to pick up brass.. Well, the line was hot, you warned him not once but twice. To me, the moment range is declared hot, rounds should be going downrange. A little darwin award wouldn't hurt in that case...
As far as brass falling on the floor... In Nevada, if a chip, money, etc hits the floor, it's the casinos, not yours, and you can be charged with theft if you do pick it up. Just say'in
Majorlk
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My range is private, but open to the public on Saturday and Sunday, and the rule is you can only pick up your own brass, unless a shooter says you can pick up theirs. Any brass not picked up is swept up during the Cease Fire and becomes the property of the club.
Since the typical day means 8 hours of shooting in 16 ports, accumulating 10k+ of brass is not uncommon, although this summer has been slower than past years due to ammo availability. Surprisingly, the majority of the shooting is not .22 LR; The majority caliber is .223/5.56. .22 comes in second with 9mm, .45 ACP and .40 S&W combined to come in third.
Since the typical day means 8 hours of shooting in 16 ports, accumulating 10k+ of brass is not uncommon, although this summer has been slower than past years due to ammo availability. Surprisingly, the majority of the shooting is not .22 LR; The majority caliber is .223/5.56. .22 comes in second with 9mm, .45 ACP and .40 S&W combined to come in third.
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yugowego
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OldEagleEars
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Doc Robin;137322673 One shot per second max; no rapid fire. Bill[/QUOTE said:
CrazyFingers
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If someone is shooting a caliber I reload, I always politely ask if they're keeping their brass. Most people don't, and are glad to have me pick it up so they don't have to. For those that are keeping their brass, most times we have a nice chat about what press, powder, primers, they use, which dies they prefer, etc.
Of course, brass pickup ONLY happens when the line is clear, and someone is still downrange at the target stand. When the last shooter starts walking back to his station, my butt is back on the right side of the firing line.
I did have a brass rat get cranky with me one day when she tried picking up 9mm brass around my station, and I politely told her that I was keeping my brass. She looks at me with a hateful glare and said, "Well, it ain't ALL yours!"
"Well, ma'am, since I am the only person shooting on this half of the range today, and there was no pistol brass anywhere when I got here, then yes, actually, it IS all mine."
I don't understand the snotty attitudes these brass rats have towards shooters. It really is like every piece of brass is magically their property once it touches the ground.
I'd hate to see what they'd do if I dropped my wallet or phone.
Of course, brass pickup ONLY happens when the line is clear, and someone is still downrange at the target stand. When the last shooter starts walking back to his station, my butt is back on the right side of the firing line.
I did have a brass rat get cranky with me one day when she tried picking up 9mm brass around my station, and I politely told her that I was keeping my brass. She looks at me with a hateful glare and said, "Well, it ain't ALL yours!"
"Well, ma'am, since I am the only person shooting on this half of the range today, and there was no pistol brass anywhere when I got here, then yes, actually, it IS all mine."
I don't understand the snotty attitudes these brass rats have towards shooters. It really is like every piece of brass is magically their property once it touches the ground.
I'd hate to see what they'd do if I dropped my wallet or phone.
Majorlk
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At my range there is a 6" wide yellow line three feet behind the benches. During a Cease Fire, shooters are not allowed between that line and the shooting benches for any reason, including policing brass. They may, with an RO's permission, reach across with a broom to sweep brass back into the safe area where it can be picked up. They can also pick up brass that is downrange from the benches.
CrazyFingers
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That's what I was talking about, when I pick up brass in front of the firing line. If other shooters are at the range that day, I only do it when the line is clear and at least one person is still downrange at the target stands dickering with their targets. Once the last shooter is finished with their targets and starts walking back to the line, it's time to stop picking up brass. I will not be that guy who makes everyone else wait around, since I'd hate to have to wait on someone else doing the same. It's just common courtesy.
However, some mornings I'll show up at the range and I'll be the only person there, which is nice. I can pick up whatever was left there (which is sometimes a surprising amount) at my leisure.
Majorlk
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Our ROs are down range during the CF, and people collecting brass there do it under our supervision. When we tell them the leave down range, the do it immediately. They are allowed one "dragging their feet" warning. A second occurrence gets them ejected from the range. That said, we don't allow non-shooters on the line or down range.
Kayback
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Yeah, we have no non shooters, unless it is the visitors range and they are spectating, even then the numbers are controlled.
All my brass is marked. I reload every caliber. Except 7.62x39mm, it is berdan primed steel case and the cost is low enough that reloading isn't worthwhile.
And .22LR. I don't even swage the cases to form .223 bullets.
But everything else is marked. As an extreme example my .45Colt brass is worth about R3 per case retail. And even more than that realistically because I purchased the last 100 cases available in the country. You touch it and we're gonna have words!
All my brass is marked. I reload every caliber. Except 7.62x39mm, it is berdan primed steel case and the cost is low enough that reloading isn't worthwhile.
And .22LR. I don't even swage the cases to form .223 bullets.
But everything else is marked. As an extreme example my .45Colt brass is worth about R3 per case retail. And even more than that realistically because I purchased the last 100 cases available in the country. You touch it and we're gonna have words!
CrazyFingers
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Which would eliminate the issues we have with brass rats at the DNR range. Unfortunately, we don't have ROs there.
But then, we also don't have timed firing restrictions, so you take the good with the bad.
