Sigma Let me down

[gatorhugger]

Maybe I'm missing something. The OP says it's not a lubrication problem, but a bunch of folks are asking about white goo etc. and he talks about lubricating the rails with grease.
I don't have a 9VE, I've got a 40VE, but my book says 6 points of 'light' lubricating oil on page 22 of the owners pamphlet.

yes you are missing sometihng.
It's amazing to me to watch a thread develop. how half gets read, half gets misinterpreted, people ask the same thing over and over.

You should go back in and count how many times someone asked about White Goo, ect. and HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE SAID I CLEANED THEM AND JUST USED OIL ON THEM, VERY LIGHTLY. WHAT IS ON THE PHOTO IS JUST LEFTOVER GREASE SMEARS. THERE IS NO GREASE IN THE GUNS.
I was getting FTE, so I cleaned the guns thinking it maybe too much grease and shot then AGAIN with just a few drops of Eezox oil.

It's not just this thread.
It happens over and over, someone will ask something, it will be answered, someone asks the same thing, it's answered again,
it's crazy.

 

[VonFatman]

Wow Gator, that really stinks! I'd do exactly as you plan. Life is too short for such nonsense.

Bob

 

[YARDDOG]

What issues were you having?

Long trigger pull& by some Freak account ; ) my striker broke : )

 

[madmedic1955]

no disresect

Gator , I meant no disrespect to you in my other post and I am sorry you are haveing the problems that you are
I was just happy mine did so well and realy hope you get yours lined out and shooting to your likeing,
I know everything produced can spit out faulty parts as machines wear, get of of adjustment, ect.
from what I have heard Smith and Wesson will make them right for you, best of luck to you and hope your prblems are cured soon

 

[paxter]

I think the point was that grease was used at some point in time. As PDL said "light" lubricating oil in 6 places. I also have a 9VE and have had no problems with it. I'll be curious to hear what the resolution is. Good luck.

yes you are missing sometihng.
It's amazing to me to watch a thread develop. how half gets read, half gets misinterpreted, people ask the same thing over and over.

You should go back in and count how many times someone asked about White Goo, ect. and HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE SAID I CLEANED THEM AND JUST USED OIL ON THEM, VERY LIGHTLY. WHAT IS ON THE PHOTO IS JUST LEFTOVER GREASE SMEARS. THERE IS NO GREASE IN THE GUNS.
I was getting FTE, so I cleaned the guns thinking it maybe too much grease and shot then AGAIN with just a few drops of Eezox oil.

It's not just this thread.
It happens over and over, someone will ask something, it will be answered, someone asks the same thing, it's answered again,
it's crazy.

 

[Slayer]

Let's see: NATO = military; 9mm NATO is the standard caliber; many makers' 9mm NATO has hard primers for use in open bolt sub guns; the "M" in M&P still stands for "Military," does it not?

The bottom line is that S&W has too many light hit issues in its revolvers post Frame Mounted Firing Pins and in its auto line (remember the 459 was initially disqualified from the first military trial in the 80s because its firing pin strike energy was just a tad too light?

M&P pistols should work even with hard primer ammo if they are truly intended for military use.

Maybe I'm missing something (I am a noob here) but he wasn't shooting an M&P, it was a Sigma. Right?

 

[madmedic1955]

Maybe I'm missing something (I am a noob here) but he wasn't shooting an M&P, it was a Sigma. Right?

it should still handle nato ammo, it been sent to the big sandbox for the allied troops and police sigma allied forces

 

[s&wlover]

My SW9VE has over 5000 rounds of every type of ammo, reloads to factory and no FTEs and 2 or 3 FTFs that were absolutely dead primers that would not fire in any of my other guns. I use Mobil 1 with a needle oiler sparingly on the lubrication points, nothing on the striker but carburator cleaner and clean it every time I use it. It and my M&P40 are the two best guns I have ever owned (own a lot of other S&W revolvers) and I would bet my life on either of them. So I think the 200 rounds till they quit working is probably a bad theory.

 

[gatorhugger]

Frank is pretty fast.
Both guns came back yesterday.
On both guns he "adjusted Trigger and Sear"
On the plain Stainess 9ve he also replaced the extractor to fix the
failure to ejects.
I guess adjusting the sear would fix light primer strikes?
Whatever he did, worked.

As a bonus both guns have a much smoother trigger.
The plain 9VE he must have put some extra polishing in,
it's very smooth and feels a couple of pounds lighter.
Highly recommend his trigger jobs even if your gun is working fine.

I took them out today, no more light primer strikes, no more Failures
of any kinds. Very pleased with LGS work.

Bottom line both guns needed some adjusting for the light primer strikes, and one gun did need a new extractor for the failure to ejects.
So there was real issues with both guns.
Practically new guns needing adjustments and extractors ain't good,

But now both Sigmas are smoother than ever and
function perfectly.
One thing is for sure, no matter the issues, Smith is there to back
their product and in the end that is what really matters.

One last note, I did have problems specifically with one type of ammo once again. In all guns, Glocks, Smiths, the NATO MARKED, 50 round Winchester white box ammo is crap. Pure and simple, it's causes problems in every gun I have shot it from.
Because of this I am avoiding all Winchester ammo in the future.
I'll stick with Sellier and Bellot, it's a shame a Czech company can make good ammo and an American company cannot.

 

[madmedic1955]

cool

Glad to to hear ya gottem up and runnin now have fun and be safe

 

[Fastbolt]

Ditto being glad to hear the guns are now satisfactory.

I'm just guessing, but if the sears were adjusted it might've been a case where the strikers were sometimes being released a bit too soon and lacked the necessary force.

While it's a completely different design, I have a SW99 compact in which I had to replace the trigger bar guide in order to resolve an occasional DA light strike issue. It turned out the trigger bar guide was the wrong spec and caused the trigger bar to occasionally release the striker too soon when fired in DA mode (meaning in the initial DA trigger stroke, but not the cocked SA mode, where the trigger guide wasn't involved 'trigger cocking' the striker). Annoying. Really annoying.

Again, glad to hear the gentleman got your Sigma's up and running.

It can be gratifying to have a real professional lavish some attention on a gun, huh?

BTW, don't be surprised if you ever experience some hard primers when using S&B ammunition. It wouldn't be the first time someone reported that experience.

 

[highdesert45]

New to the forum, and recently purchased an SW9VE. I have researched and found many on-line posts that feel that the gun is terrible. For each one of these, I have read at least one post that feels that the pistol is not only a great value, but reliable and accurate. Furthermore, these same people state that they can fire 'anything' through the pistol. I love the looks, the feel, and the fit of the gun in my hand. I have not fired it yet, having just brought it home. I have a box of Federal 115 gr, FMJ, and am practically salivating.

 

[madmedic1955]

congrats

New to the forum, and recently purchased an SW9VE. I have researched and found many on-line posts that feel that the gun is terrible. For each one of these, I have read at least one post that feels that the pistol is not only a great value, but reliable and accurate. Furthermore, these same people state that they can fire 'anything' through the pistol. I love the looks, the feel, and the fit of the gun in my hand. I have not fired it yet, having just brought it home. I have a box of Federal 115 gr, FMJ, and am practically salivating.

I have one that I love the feel and fit to my hand , points (aims) without effort and has gone bang every time for over 500 rnds. without a problem-even hits where I aim if I do my part. hope your new one works as well for you
be safe have fun and practice often DOC

 

[njretcop]

I bought one when they first came out and was very disappointed with it.

An LEO at the time, I would not risk my life on it!

 

[Erich]

Yes, the originals had problems. The remodeled ones that came out in the late '90s work fine.

 

[cshoff]

Frank is pretty fast.
Both guns came back yesterday.
On both guns he "adjusted Trigger and Sear"
On the plain Stainess 9ve he also replaced the extractor to fix the
failure to ejects.
I guess adjusting the sear would fix light primer strikes?
Whatever he did, worked.

As a bonus both guns have a much smoother trigger.
The plain 9VE he must have put some extra polishing in,
it's very smooth and feels a couple of pounds lighter.
Highly recommend his trigger jobs even if your gun is working fine.

I took them out today, no more light primer strikes, no more Failures
of any kinds. Very pleased with LGS work.

Bottom line both guns needed some adjusting for the light primer strikes, and one gun did need a new extractor for the failure to ejects.
So there was real issues with both guns.
Practically new guns needing adjustments and extractors ain't good,

But now both Sigmas are smoother than ever and
function perfectly.
One thing is for sure, no matter the issues, Smith is there to back
their product and in the end that is what really matters.

One last note, I did have problems specifically with one type of ammo once again. In all guns, Glocks, Smiths, the NATO MARKED, 50 round Winchester white box ammo is crap. Pure and simple, it's causes problems in every gun I have shot it from.
Because of this I am avoiding all Winchester ammo in the future.
I'll stick with Sellier and Bellot, it's a shame a Czech company can make good ammo and an American company cannot.

Glad to hear you got your guns back up and running. I was very happy with the service I recieved from Frank at LSG. He does great work.

 

[MK]

Frank is pretty fast.

One last note, I did have problems specifically with one type of ammo once again. In all guns, Glocks, Smiths, the NATO MARKED, 50 round Winchester white box ammo is crap. Pure and simple, it's causes problems in every gun I have shot it from.
Because of this I am avoiding all Winchester ammo in the future.
I'll stick with Sellier and Bellot, it's a shame a Czech company can make good ammo and an American company cannot.

Seems like someone else was complaining about the WWB the other day.
I'll have to remember about the "NATO" marking..
Heck, I used to think the WWB was pretty decent for the cheaper
practice ammo, but maybe they are slipping lately.
I use a good bit of Blazer brass. It seems decent for the price.
I've used both WWB and Blazer brass in my SW40VE with nary
a hiccup.. But maybe I had good batches.. I've never had a fail
to fire with mine yet.

 

[RightWinger]

gatorhugger,


Sorry about your bad experience with the Sigma, however I am glad it happened on the range and not when you needed the gun to save yourself or a loved one. I have heard a lot of people try to defend these guns and for the life of my I always wonder why. If you HAVE to defend a particular gun or brand constantly, then it may be a sign that it's inferior. If you do get rid of them, I would say you'll have made a very wise choice. Good quality guns don't need you to speak good on their behalf, its apparrent by their reputation.