Skinny on the internal lock from the horse's mouth

[Jeb Stonewall]

Originally posted by reerc:
Locks ain't profitable?

Says who?

S&W stock page

As long as they're making money, I don't think they give a rat's arse what we here on this forum think.

That chart doesn't show what the money makers are.
Might be alot of autos making all the money.

 

[woodsltc]

Originally posted by Joni_Lynn:
As long as put the lock on the revolvers, I stopped even looking at them.

++1, that describes my reaction exactly to any S&W with the lock.........I have ZERO interest, and I don't even stop to look at them.

Don

 

[Marshall 357]

I am happy I was lucky enough to find my M66-1.My friend bought a new Classic 29 .44 Mag. with I think a 3'' BBL. removed the lock.He filled the hole in the frame by ''tapping and putting a set screw'' in the lock hole. Looks good.

 

[reerc]

Originally posted by Jeb Stonewall:

Originally posted by reerc:
Locks ain't profitable?

Says who?

S&W stock page

As long as they're making money, I don't think they give a rat's arse what we here on this forum think.

That chart doesn't show what the money makers are.
Might be alot of autos making all the money.

True statement. The M&Ps seem to be doing well, and their new AR15 may be making a lot of money too, but does anyone think a publicly traded company would continue to manufacture revolvers with locks if no one was buying them?

Oh, and lest you get wrong ideas, I sold my IL 442, and haven't bought an IL S&W yet. I personally detest them, but am just trying to be pragmatic about the whole big picture.

 

[2x6]

S&W should bring out their "Classic" line of revolvers without the IL and see how they sell. My guess is that they would sell so many more that they might consider removing the lock from the other models? Besides calling a gun a "Classic" with hole in the side seems odd to me. I can accept non-pinned barrels, transfer bar firing pin and MIM on modern firearms. However, I won't consider buying any S&W with that ugly hole in the frame as it serves no purpose and is butt ugly and detracts from the elegant lines of an otherwise beautiful firearm.

 

[Joni_Lynn]

I hadn't realized they had gone to using a transfer bar in the revolvers. I thought they still used the hammer block.

 

[Racegunner]

I'd love to have a new S&W revolver without the lock. I haven't even considered one since they started making them with the internal lock. I will continue to find used old ones like the rest of you.
S&W should give serious consideration to their loyal customer base.

 

[ladder13]

Originally posted by Jim Shugart:
Great! I love it! A new Internal Lock thread.

Lee will be beside himself.

+1

 

[ladder13]

He listed about five police states (Ca, New Jersey, NY, etc.) and said that they could not sell guns there without locks so they put them on all there guns.

Liar liar pants on fire

 

[Gun-runner]

Originally posted by SWID:
Yep, that's what they told me. They are making a 58, and I said that I would love to have one of those on .44 mag except no hole, firing pin in the hammer and forged hammer and trigger. He told me to forget it.

He listed about five police states (Ca, New Jersey, NY, etc.) and said that they could not sell guns there without locks so they put them on all there guns. I suggested making a run of N frames without and just see how hard they are to sell. I'm not holding my breath.

Hey Now! Don't go tossing N.Y into the lock ring! There's no law here - YET.

 

[bk43]

S&W has been sold before. As long as Saf-t-Lock (sp?) owns them, we'll have the lock...and I won't buy their guns.

It's Saf-T-Hammer and they no longer exist and haven't for years. Blaming the lock on today's revolvers on Saf-T-Hammer, or the "agreement" or the Clinton administration is flat wrong.

If one is talking to somebody from S&W about the lock and bringing up these issues they're just going to assume you don't know what you're talking about and blow you off.

Bob

 

[G-Mac]

Originally posted by bk43:It's Saf-T-Hammer and they no longer exist....

Yeah...it's called Saf-T-Wesson now!

 

[2x6]

Originally posted by Joni_Lynn:
I hadn't realized they had gone to using a transfer bar in the revolvers. I thought they still used the hammer block.

Joni,
I stand corrected and red-faced

. I should have said hammer mounted firing pin. I guess I was thinking of the Ruger transfer bar saftey system. I think the Colt Python, and S&W rimfires, also used the tranfer bar safety, but I'm not sure? You can set me straight if I'm wrong, but hasn't S&W used the hammer block safety for the greater part of the life of the centerfire hand ejectors?

 

[ChicagoGun]

Crazy thing happened to me today. I bought a cute little lock and this integral device that shoots bullets came with it. Me thinks it makes the lock much more dangerous.

I need a lock like I need a hole in my head.

Whenever I see that pimple on the side of a modern S&W revolver I want to squeeze it and see what comes out.

Rumor has it that well meaning elite S&W executives deemed revolvers possessed by evil demons then decided to drill a hole in the sideplate to let such spirits out.

S&W ultimately feminized their handguns by requiring a phallic symbol be inserted and screwed into a hole before firing can occur. The debate now centers on who gets screwed worse, the handgun or the potential gun buyer?

"Holey" cow! Is that a newly manufactured Smith & Wesson you're holding or a donut?

There exists a new component to dueling: "OK, gentlemen. Turn around, stand back to back, walk ten paces. Then turn around, UNLOCK your Smith & Wessons, raise and fire."

My best friend adores modern clown holed S&Ws. He's very quick on the western draw with one, too. With pride, he calls himself, "The Key Hole Kid." Indeed, new S&Ws are 1 hole shy of a happy face.

Don't child proof your guns, gun proof your children!

 

[Black_Sheep]

as soon as I click on one and see the lock it doesn't matter what the price is I hit the back button and keep looking else where

As long as there are nice pre-lock Smiths in circulation, I will never buy another revolver with a lock. Besides being an eyesore, the lock makes a firearm unreliable for self defense. When my 60 locked up during rapid fire shooting, any thoughts of using it as a carry weapon vanished...

 

[ElToro]

as a shareholder, i think they have a fiduciary duty to explore selling non lock guns. as was pointed out, CA dos no require the lock IN THE GUN

i dont have any and dont ever intend to have any, nor do i own any neweer Rugers with internal locks

Remington had their hat handed to them over that silly J lock on their rifles and shotguns a few years back. guess what ? they went back to no locks after a few years of people voting with their wallets.