Slaying of rancher on the border saturday

[feralmerril]

I was waiting to see if anyone posted on the subject. The wife and I were very close by as we just got back from tombstone and bisbee last night. The rancher, Robert Krentz was rideing his atv on his 35,000 acre ranch saturday near douglas az., saw what appeared to be a illegal in some kind of trouble. He radioed his brother phil he was going over to investigate. When he never checked back a search helicopter found him on his quad along with his dog both shot to death. The prior day his brother phil had something to do with helping arrest 8 illegals in the area with 280 #s of weed. One theory was it might be a revenge thing.
The BP tracked the shooter for 20 miles to where he slipped back into mexico. The strange thing is Krentz had a rifle and pistol still on him when they found him. It sounds like he was shot on the quad and the machine continued about a 1.000 feet. People that knew him say he was always helping illegals that he ran across with water etc.
Sometimes I guess we dont take things serious enough.

 

[CA357]

Close the border, send the Nat'l Guard to patrol it, give them the tools they need and be done. These are acts of war.

 

[Brett248Vista]

I'm sorry but I feel the only help they should receive, is help back over the fence into their own country, with any force necessary. If you want to come to this country, do it legally and I don't have a problem.

 

[RdrBill]

All.
This is a very hot issue in Arizona right now. This has some sign of being a targeted hit. We have had enough of the border crossers and their arragant ways. Some of the illegals are volutarily returned to Mexico 20-30-40 times. There is no punative action for being caught crossing the border illegaly. It is an in your face attitude they now have . Politicians have tied the Border Patrol hands to the point they are a humanitarian force.
The drug gangs across the border are killing each other at a good rate and are working over the Mexican Army and any one else in the way. US law enforcement will put US citizens in jail for any getting even.
It may boil over one of these days because our Fed leaders are doing nothing and the wets are demanding amnesty. I have not met or conversed with anyone who's state does not have a wet back problem.
I try not to be a racist, but the illegals lower my patience.
There is a legal way to get here and any Mexican that whats to do it right, Welcome to America.
I have pictures of deer hunting , javelina hunting and quail hunting, in, on, and around the Krentz Ranch. I never met the man.
I am a little cranky with our leaders and our southern neighboors right now.
I have no humanitarian values left.
One of these days!
Bill@Yuma

 

[FrankD45]

Close the border, send the Nat'l Guard to patrol it, give them the tools they need and be done. These are acts of war.

Sealing the border is an interesting challenge. It was dealt with in a work of fiction by Harold Coyle in his book "Trial By Fire". As far as credentials are concerned, Coyle is a retired tanker whose first book was "Team Yankee", written when he was a Major. If I remember correctly he wrote that standard doctrine would require about 2.6 million troops to cover the 3,100 Km border. He also said, if you wanted to string triple strand concertina from the Gulf to the Pacific, it would take about 611,000 rolls and take more than 300,000 man hours to install. All in all, not an easy thing to do. I would guess we could put a dent in the cross border movement if we adopted some of the tactics being used on the Pakistan border but I don't see that happening any time soon.

I had better stop there and not speculate further.

Frank

 

[Brett248Vista]

Sealing the border is an interesting challenge. It was dealt with in a work of fiction by Harold Coyle in his book "Trial By Fire". As far as credentials are concerned, Coyle is a retired tanker whose first book was "Team Yankee", written when he was a Major. If I remember correctly he wrote that standard doctrine would require about 2.6 million troops to cover the 3,100 Km border. He also said, if you wanted to string triple strand concertina from the Gulf to the Pacific, it would take about 611,000 rolls and take more than 300,000 man hours to install. All in all, not an easy thing to do. I would guess we could put a dent in the cross border movement if we adopted some of the tactics being used on the Pakistan border but I don't see that happening any time soon.

I had better stop there and not speculate further.

Frank

Wouldn't Toe Poppers and Spanish warning signs be easier to install?

 

[nostraDONus]

The problem is the anti American lawyers and the ACLU (All Communists Love Us) who will stop at nothing to poke their collective fingers in the American citizens eye while urinating on the flag and Constitution. Until they are reigned in and the "majority" rule returns this will only get worse as they become more emboldened and arrogant.

Unfortunately most politicians are salivating over the possibility of the illegals receiving citizenship so they can receive another 30 million votes and stay in office.

 

[Bat Guano]

I'm sure our fat DHS-Chick feels just terrible about that.

And pigs fly in snowstorms, too.

 

[Nightowl]

Congress has been ignoring this issue for years, even though the evidence has been obvious that they need to act!

 

[FrankD45]

Wouldn't Toe Poppers and Spanish warning signs be easier to install?

Ahhh, if only... Unfortunately, Coyle estimated about 14.5 million would be needed to achieve the required density. I wish I was smart enough to come up with a solution but I am not. I'm pretty sure I could do better than some of those elected/appointed to figure it out.

Frank

 

[USAF385]

I'm not very PC when it comes to this topic. But the most family friendly comment I have is: let the locals patrol the border - no questions asked.

 

[mlk18]

The problem is the anti American lawyers and the ACLU (All Communists Love Us) who will stop at nothing to poke their collective fingers in the American citizens eye while urinating on the flag and Constitution.

+1 Amen Brother.

 

[ect1222t]

Wouldn't Toe Poppers and Spanish warning signs be easier to install?

Why do they even deserve a warning? They are criminals. They have committed a crime by entering our country illegally. They have nothing but contempt for us and our laws.

I'm not very PC when it comes to this topic. But the most family friendly comment I have is: let the locals patrol the border - no questions asked.

Amen, brother. BTW, doesn't anyone down there have a backhoe? Take a page from the VC, pits with punji stakes, poisonous snakes, and other booby traps. I don't think there are any laws against protecting your own property, although I might be wrong. Just saying... -Ed.

 

[srgvaz]

Sad story but people should realize we are in a Drug WAR and avoid situations like that. If you live on the Border call the "GOV" and let them fight there WAR you can protect yourself/property but avoid being a known hero. I'd like to see what happens if CALI decides to legalize it.

 

[Xfuzz]

Mexican Milatary helicopter has buzzed the Texas side of the border
couple days in a row.
Local coppers reported it to the feds yesterday I think the paper said.

 

[scoutsdad]

The citizens living in this once peaceful valley are still in shock and still very angry at the death of Rob Krentz. I know the family well. I fought several grassland fires on the ranch. In the canyon I live one neighbor is Robs sister, and another neighbor is Robs wife's brother. Rob was a kind man, he never refused to help anyone in trouble of any color. That is the past what the future looks like who knows. The community of 500, had 350 folks out at a meeting Wednesday to deal with border security. I am sure some stayed home to protect their homes from the daily break ins that occur from the dopers looking for food and goodies.

The story was all over the news most of it seems to be correct. Rob encountered an illegal while working the east side of his 35000 acre ranch. He and his dog were shot while in a ATV. Rob had just had knee surgery and wasn't walking real good. He also had a rifle and a pistol on the ATV that never was reveled to the shooter. Ruger people will be glad to know that Warner Glenn and daughter Kelly who own the ranch just south of Krentz Ranch, tracked the shooter with LEO into Mexico, but couldn't cross the border to follow.

Robs death has bought the community together, I just wish that it had been something else. So far I believe a $45000. reward is offered for the killer. A big shot from ICE stated that money like that it Mexico will get anyone back. I sure hope so.

 

[R Cubed]

There was also an "assassination" of a diplomat in a border town (Juarez) recently.

The simple solution to our southern border problem in Arizona is ----

Elect or appoint Sheriff Joe Arpio of Maricopa County (I live in Pinal County) as Arizona Home Security Chief - He'd put those captured to work cleaning up the desert they have trashed (in pink under garments eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches)

btw - Sheriff Joe has put a bicycle powered generator in his "Tent City" jail - Inmates ride to generate their own electricity for their TV - no riders - no tv - why should the tax payers foot their tv bill?

 

[cass]

Spring Turkey season opens in Texas tomorrow - it should include at least two illegals.

 

[Iggy]

But, but, think of all of those potential voters and contributors to the new health plan!!

 

[Bat Guano]

"Operation Wetback" in 1954 was highly successful. Not PC, but there was enough spine in Eisenhower's administration to get it done.

But then there were a lot of WWII vets around in those years. Some of them were my mentors, and we could sure use them now.

Hell, my Depression-era Chicago-raised mother would have the border cleaned up in a week. She was tougher than Joe Arpaio ever thought of being.