Slide locked - what am I doing wrong ?

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I've made a batch of 9x19 (500 rounds). Mixed brass, 125 LRN over 3.8 gr of W231, Fed SPP. Today I've pulled the trigger and "click", try to rack the slide - no luck, slide stuck a min later put a pencil from business end and knocked couple times after that slide is released. The bullet seated deeper due to the banging, no mark on the primer or very faint. Put it back and it fires just fine. I'd really appreciate some help to figure out what am I doing wrong. It was the only accident in the batch.
EDIT: edited charge from 4.8 gr (1st time was from memory, checked my records)
 
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Sounds like a piece of bulged brass. Sometimes the brass doesn't get sized where the case web is bulged. It makes for a wedge in the chamber, if it gets pushed far enough in the chamber they fire fine. If not, the disconnect won't let it fire and you wind up with the condition you experienced.... IMO
 
Oh, if it happens again, look close for a shiney line around the brass about 1/16 up from the extractor slot. That's the tell tale indicator.
 
You're right, Sailor, even though I've checked my records and it is 3.8 gr (typo in my original msg) it still too hot. Could it cause the slide lock ? Thanks, shovelwrench, I'll keep my eye on it, I didn't look at the case closely, just inspected the primer :(
 
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"The bullet seated deeper due to the banging"

That's a major clue. If your bullet is moving with the pressure from a 'knock' or two from a pencil, then your crimp and/or the case wall tension is not enough to hold the bullet.

"mixed brass"

Clue two. Each brand of brass, and even brass from the same maker and lot can vary in case wall thickness, brass also isn't uniform from maker to maker, lot to lot in length.
Did you trim all your cases to the same lenght before loading, or check the case length? If you have brass from mixed lots each with it's own length and don't have them trimmed uniformly you could set the crimp for a 'longer' case, which would not crimp the shorter cases enough, if at all.
This could cause the condition you experienced, the bullet could have moved forward under the force of the slide slamming home wedging it into the rifling and not allowing the slide to carry home (go into battery) and tying it up. When you 'knocked' the bullet back, you freed it up.
Wisest choice is to segregate brass by maker, trim each to uniform length, crimp them in a seperate step from seating and use a gauge to ensure proper fit.
Case trimming is the biggest PITA in handloading, but one that can't be overlooked, the results can be as simple as what you expereienced, or as catastrophic as a blown primer. Both a too long and too short case will cause much grief.
RD
 
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I have never trimmed a piece of handgun brass and I don't think I ever will.

You said the primer was barely hit and you had to bang the front of the round to free up the slide. I have a feeling you are crimping too much so that the round is not head spacing correctly. it sounds like the round pushed too far forward into the barrel causing the jam and the misfire.
 
Thanks, Smithhound, I also was leaning towards excessive OAL, so bullet hanged prevented slide to go into battery but why was it locked, was it because bullet engaged rifling ?
 
That would be my guess, especially if just some pressure from a pencil moved it back.
As for trimming handgun brass, some people don't, some do. But at least segregate it by maker and check case OAL. An extreme example is to compare say Winchester brass against S&B, S&B cases in 9mm are notorious for being at or below the SAAMI minimum length, Winchesters tend to be around the midway point. If you set your crimping die for the Winchesters and then go to crimp the S&B it won't even touch it.
Reloading is a series of variables, to get the optimum loads you need to reduce those variables as much as is humanly possible. The thing about trimming handgun brass, which admittedly doesn't stretch as much as rifle brass (but it does stretch, it has to) is that you only need to do it one time over the expected life of the case, if you'r lucky enough to get 8 or so loadings out of it I'd check em and retrim but to me they'd be suspect for mouth hardening anyway, splits will start to show up.
When I buy new pistol brass, or the first time I use once fired, I take the time to trim them, it's slow and onerous, but IMHO should be done.
After that first time, I don't sweat it, just check them every few loadings. How else is one supposed to get a uniform crimp if every other case isn't uniform in length? If you want to just reload to make noise then don't worry about it but one of the benefits of handloading is to strive to make quality ammunition, not just smoke.
RD
 
Don't get me wrong, Smithhound, it's not like it I pushed it with a pencil, I've inserted pencil and banged it on the bench to release the slide just pushing didn't do anything it was sitting tight.
 
Thanks, ArchAngel, I'll check my crimp; so too much crimp can make round go deeper than intended ?
 
Well you did not give us you OAL of the round.

From how I read you first post it went click so that tells me it did not fire so how can the powder charge have anything to do with it??

Sounds like the bullet is sticking due to too long an OAL and slide going forward is wedging the round in the chamber. Also and probably related your primers are not seated correctly.

This of course is just be telepathy.:)
 
OAL 1.107-1.112. Primer seated incorrectly ? What can be incorrect about primer sitting, it is just a hair below the head surface...
 
A 124gr with a 1.11 oal vs a max of 1.16..........
sounds to me like the brass is too small in diamiter to stop at the chamber ring and going into the barrel..........letting the bullet hit the lands and rifling to get wedged.

Make sure the end of the brass is high enough to do its job and not flattened out on the next loads you try.

Good loading.
 
OK lets start over. What gun?
Simple test:
Remove the barrel. Drop a loaded round into the barrel. Does it "Plunk" right in? Turn barrel upside down. Does round fall out?

"Generally" if a primer does not go off the first strike and it does the second time the primer was not seated correctly (assuming you have not lighten up the trigger action)

Why is there so much variation in your OAL??

This is a 1911 but the idea is the same. Borrowed from another website.
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"A short throat is sometimes the culprit. Too long an O.A.L. is sometimes the problem, even with barrels with average throats."

This pic is often used to help explain correct headspacing and how O.A.L. can affect chambering and headspace.

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Two things.
Never load 500rds of anything w/o testing it. Load 10 test rounds. If they all go bang, now you an load bulk.
It sounds like maybe the rounds are too long & the bullet is hitting the rifling, preventing proper chambering & firing. The fact you hadto push the bullet back w/ a rod to get the slide open tells me that is likely. As noted, you should be fitting the round to YOUR bbl. A proper fit is the loaded round falling in & out freely from your removed bbl. Keep in mind, regardless of any data reference, OAL is ALWAYS gun & bullet specific.
 
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They should all be dropped in a case gauge before shooting them. This would have caught a bulged case, or crushed case from crimping.

The afformentioned "plunk" test with our barrel will do just as good as a case gauge.

As far as what it could be, everyone else pretty much covered it. I "liked" those factors that I thought would be the common issues to check.
 
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