Pumaonly
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Is there a book or a souce or someone who can identify what guns the holsters were made for?
Slightly off topic, Rock Island hoslters (Pictures added)
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jps1935
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u.s.military holsters and pistol cartridge boxes by edward scott meadows copyrighy 1987 (I would like to trade my copy for the winchester model 94 the first 100 years or buy out right)let me know what your looing for i my be able to help Jens
opoefc
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Pumaonly, Post pictures here of the holsters and all RIA stampings, & markings & dates, and I'll tell you what Meadows, and other authors, say about them. Ed.
Ed, here are the pictures of the 3 holsters with descriptions from left to right. The short meaure measurment is along sight side of the holster tip to top of leather
Left Rock Island Arsenal
H.E.K.
1910
9", overall 12"
Middle: Rock Island Arsenal
H.E.K
1909
9 3/4", overall 12"
Right Rock Island Arsenal (On front of flap)
E.H.S (In script)
no date
9 3/4", 12" overall
I would like to know which pistol they were meant for. value?
If you need more pictures please let me know.
Left Rock Island Arsenal
H.E.K.
1910
9", overall 12"
Middle: Rock Island Arsenal
H.E.K
1909
9 3/4", overall 12"
Right Rock Island Arsenal (On front of flap)
E.H.S (In script)
no date
9 3/4", 12" overall
I would like to know which pistol they were meant for. value?
If you need more pictures please let me know.
opoefc
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Pumaonly, These are all for the military .38 cal. Colt & Smith & Wesson revolvers. There are 5 types of this style , plus other sub-variations and modifications, all made at Rock Island 1892-1910 period in 3 colors (black, fair & russet). See Meadows pgs 152-168. Rock Island inspector/subinspector "HEK" was Henry E. Kelsey. They are not real rare. At Rock Island about 27,700 were made in 1909-1910, and almost 200,000 over all during the 18 yrs. Additiona quanities were made at other arsenals. As with most military collectables, value depends on condition, originality, sharpness of markings and scarcity. I see them for sale at shows from $50 to $600, depending on condition. Your three appear to be in good condition and may, or may not, have originally had a tie down ring at the bottom. Ed.
ordnanceguy
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Pumaonly:
I agree with my friend Ed about the middle and right holsters in your photo as being for the Colt .38 DA series of holsters.
However, I believe that the left holster is not for the .38 DA revolver. The left holster appears to me to be a Model of 1909 Holster for the Model of 1909 Colt .45 Revolver. The body of that holster is perceptibly wider to accommodate the larger frame, and it has the elk skin thong held in the two eyelets that I don't think was found on the .38 DA holsters.
The pic below shows the Model of 1909 Colt and its holster rig which is in my collection. The Model of 1909 holsters are a lot scarcer than their .38 DA cousins.
Hope this helps you.
Regards,
Charlie Flick
S&WCA #729
NRA Life
I agree with my friend Ed about the middle and right holsters in your photo as being for the Colt .38 DA series of holsters.
However, I believe that the left holster is not for the .38 DA revolver. The left holster appears to me to be a Model of 1909 Holster for the Model of 1909 Colt .45 Revolver. The body of that holster is perceptibly wider to accommodate the larger frame, and it has the elk skin thong held in the two eyelets that I don't think was found on the .38 DA holsters.
The pic below shows the Model of 1909 Colt and its holster rig which is in my collection. The Model of 1909 holsters are a lot scarcer than their .38 DA cousins.
Hope this helps you.
Regards,
Charlie Flick
S&WCA #729
NRA Life
opoefc
US Veteran
Pumaonly, I think Charlie may be correct - he's got a sharper eye than me! Comparison of your photos of the left holster with the Model 1909 pattern in Meadows, does confirm that it looks a lot like a Model 1909 for the .45 Colt DA revolver. Try a Colt DA in it and if it fits, that's what it is!
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