Seems like the M/P was on fire for a while then some how lost the ball I like M/P have L/E Mp 9 night sights M/P 45 mid size with night sights , Shield 9mm all are flawless no problems ever . but alot of my reading tells me that most L/E are keeping their Glock blood line and going Gen 4 9mm or Sig 320 is going strong . . What happened they had their chance and just left it go it seems . How could their sales fumbled this ???????????????????????
Smith M/P line losing to Sig or Glock
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For a department to change gun brands or operating systems means buying new holsters and accessories, a fresh supply of magazines, and most importantly, costly transition training from one semi auto to another. For budgetary reasons, LE agencies are inclined to stay with what they have.
Also, you may not like the looks of a Glock and some don't like the grip angle but they are super reliable and accurate enough for their purpose.
For a department to change gun brands or operating systems means buying new holsters and accessories, a fresh supply of magazines, and most importantly, costly transition training from one semi auto to another. For budgetary reasons, LE agencies are inclined to stay with what they have.
Also, you may not like the looks of a Glock and some don't like the grip angle but they are super reliable and accurate enough for their purpose.
I love my new Shield but also love my new SIG P320, the Sig is just too big to carry IWB but I can see why they are selling like crazy. As for Glock, I hate them, tried several but I flat out can't shoot them, I know it's the trigger but I never got used to it and now I don't have any.
drotis
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I'm not sure why. When I was looking for a full size polymer 9mm, everyone said get a Glock. But the M&P 9 felt so natural in my hand, I went with it. First range trip last week - 5 full mags, 2 different brands of ammo, not a single hiccup. Right out of the box. I read many complaints about the trigger. I don't get it. Maybe I'm not experienced enough to know, but I liked it just fine. No regrets.
I started with the M&P and maybe that's why I prefer Smiths... I bought a 17 and won a long slide 45 and really tried to like both of them. Sold um both.
The M&P just feels so much better in my hand. I have 5 now and only one failure to eject out of all of them (first day out with a new FS9), 1000s of rounds.
Glock makes a fine gun, just not for me.
PS-Glock has a very big head start over Smith. No denying that.
The M&P just feels so much better in my hand. I have 5 now and only one failure to eject out of all of them (first day out with a new FS9), 1000s of rounds.
Glock makes a fine gun, just not for me.
PS-Glock has a very big head start over Smith. No denying that.
1 - Accuracy
S&W never recovered from persistent accuracy issues on the M&P 9mm. Despite earnest attempts to diagnose and address the problem, they have not been able to eliminate it.
2 - Trigger.
This is S&W's fault. A $50 per gun cost to drop in Apex parts from the factory would bring the M&P up to 2013 standards.
A Sig P320, Walther PPQ, or H&K VP9 run rings around the M&P ergonomically, are accurate, reliable, and don't feel like drawing sandpaper over a file when shooting, either.
Glock 17/19 remain the ugly but dependable "safe" choice for Agencies everywhere.
S&W desperately needs the M&P Gen 2 submitted under MHS to make it to the marketspace, soon.
S&W never recovered from persistent accuracy issues on the M&P 9mm. Despite earnest attempts to diagnose and address the problem, they have not been able to eliminate it.
2 - Trigger.
This is S&W's fault. A $50 per gun cost to drop in Apex parts from the factory would bring the M&P up to 2013 standards.
A Sig P320, Walther PPQ, or H&K VP9 run rings around the M&P ergonomically, are accurate, reliable, and don't feel like drawing sandpaper over a file when shooting, either.
Glock 17/19 remain the ugly but dependable "safe" choice for Agencies everywhere.
S&W desperately needs the M&P Gen 2 submitted under MHS to make it to the marketspace, soon.
tayninh69
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Just guessing but I would think Glock could easily undercut any other manufacturers bid. Other than the barrel and slide almost all the other parts are same between models other than the G20 and G21. And these share a lot of parts with each other and internal parts with the small frames.
Like fdw, the M&P 'feels' better to me....the Glocks, 'different'.
Glock's chambers and bores tend to measure a little larger than many allowing them to run even when 'dirty' aiding their rep for reliability.
Like fdw, the M&P 'feels' better to me....the Glocks, 'different'.
Glock's chambers and bores tend to measure a little larger than many allowing them to run even when 'dirty' aiding their rep for reliability.
Savvy
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On the trigger point Id respectfully disagree.
Most L/E agencies - especially the large city ones that make major purchases - dont want crisp triggers with fast resets. They want deliberate, heavy triggers, with a reset as close to a double action revolver as possible. They will even use their leverage with the purchase size to require a totally different trigger from the consumer trigger - usually heavier springs.
Liability is king, they want no claims of light triggers going off during a pursuit or scuffle. The M&P trigger is perfectly fine for Law Enforcement, in my opinion. Close range center mass shooting.
Apex type triggers are excellent, but heck, lets remember literally what M & P stands for - Military and Police
It stands to reason that we need to drop in Apex triggers when what we want to do is competition shooting or civilian CC/target shooting. And patriotism be damned, these government agencies will not consider an American company first, but whoever comes in cheapest while meeting the criteria. And as stated by someone else in the thread, new equipment and other cost factors figure in. Glock indeed got a head start.
My 2 cents.
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My belief is that if S&W had been first to the dance they would be in the lead now. My former agency transitioned to the Glock Model 19 then upgraded to the M23. Glock did not charge us a dime, just had us do a direct swap. Back in the '80s, when we were looking to transition to a semi auto, S&W was not in the game.
What a strange post by the OP, sounds as though S&W is closing... really....... like the M&P line is on the way out... actually, the more I think about it, it's hilarious. On the contrary, the M&P line is going stronger than ever, manufacturing can't keep up and LE departments are buying like crazy... dats the way I see it!!! Because some Glock fanboz are still buying Glock... ? really... that's laughable, to base your statement on that... The M&P's accuracy was a spotty thing with the 9's, I never had a problem, some did... The M&P out of the box was not a target gun, some wanted it to be... but I'll take my PC M&P and shoot it pretty dang good!!
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I love my shield I trust my life with it every day. But the trigger, accuracy, and reliability of the Glock will always trump just about any other poly pistol. And the options for after market parts is much greater for Glocks. Which is why LE are staying with Glocks.
I will also mention that up here in the Pacific NW there seems to be more LE with the M&P line.
I will also mention that up here in the Pacific NW there seems to be more LE with the M&P line.
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garddogg56
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As far as I'm concerned LE ARE GOING WITH THE GLOCK BECAUSE OF THE PRICE DEALS..I'VE SHOT GLOCK AND FOR ME THEY ARE A LOOOOONG WAY FROM BEING THE BENCHMARK..
NasHouston
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Although M&P feels good in the hand and the recoil is a little better, I've had misfires with all 3 that I own. It's not unheard of, but it is very seldom to have misfires with glock. They're on the same level as sig and HK as far as reliability is goes.
BigDog48
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And inexpensive to maintain.
BigDog48
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By the way, if you believe that, look at the S&W stock price. It's up over 35% while the general stock market is going down.
How does that work - LE staying with Glocks but LE in your area with the M&P?
Mi State Police have switched from Sig 226-R 40 to a glock 17 9mm. I know S&W tried for the contract. So there are a lot of nice sigs on the market. Be Safe,
My son is L/E he has the older M/P 9 I got for him when he graduated Penn State . This M/P never jammed but shoot all over the place ,I sent it back said it was L/E and marked 911 on the paper ,came back new barrel ex trigger nice and crisp pull , bump on slide lock .They took care of it but they did a nice trigger not real light kind of glass break.
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