Smith & Wesson store

The Invention of Computerized inventory management systems.
We have had these systems for decades now... It's not rocket science...

I'll be the first to admit I know very little about computer controlled inventory management so I can't answer that question, all I can do is guess that there online inventory is not set up for real time? Maybe it has something to do with firewalls to prevent some hacker from getting into the inventroy system and shipping himself a couple hundred AR's? :D
 
I'll be the first to admit I know very little about computer controlled inventory management so I can't answer that question, all I can do is guess that there online inventory is not set up for real time? Maybe it has something to do with firewalls to prevent some hacker from getting into the inventroy system and shipping himself a couple hundred AR's? :D

I am sure you were right that they were out of the office for a few days, and are simply catching up ....
And I agree with you, I'd rather wait for a while rather than pay double at some gougers web site..

I actually saw some 30 rounders (magpul) for sale today for 34$ ea on the web... I passed... Their ammo prices were ridiculous as well..
 
I ordered a replacement rear sight blade assbly online, which of course included my email address. Received a order confirmation email right away. Three days (10/27/12) later I received a postcard saying it's back ordered. I'm still waiting for it to ship.

Sent a gun in 12/12/12, after receiving the shipping label, for warranty work. Included a letter describing trouble & included my name/address, tel#, & email, which I used earlier with CS. Seven days after it was signed for by S&W, I received a letter advising they received the gun & it'd be fixed, typically, in 2-3 weeks. No mention of holiday closure schedule. Still waiting.

Why doesn't the on-line store tell you it's backordered before you order it? Why can't they email me the info & save time & money. Seems like an outdated system?
 
I ordered a replacement rear sight blade assbly online, which of course included my email address. Received a order confirmation email right away. Three days (10/27/12) later I received a postcard saying it's back ordered. I'm still waiting for it to ship.

Sent a gun in 12/12/12, after receiving the shipping label, for warranty work. Included a letter describing trouble & included my name/address, tel#, & email, which I used earlier with CS. Seven days after it was signed for by S&W, I received a letter advising they received the gun & it'd be fixed, typically, in 2-3 weeks. No mention of holiday closure schedule. Still waiting.

Why doesn't the on-line store tell you it's backordered before you order it? Why can't they email me the info & save time & money. Seems like an outdated system?



I absolutely agree. I do quite a bit of purchasing from Cheaperthandirt and Midway, and before you order you know if its in stock, back orderable, discontinued, etc...
This is the reason why i started this thread, once i ordered, i had a strange feeling about it. Oh well. I must say though, ive actually come across some pretty decent deals on uppers since ive placed the order with S&W. Im going to keep my fingers crossed and hope Smith comes through for me in a timely fashion.

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They are in business to sell firearms, the store is not their core business. I bet their dealers are not happy we can buy direct instead of having to come into a brick and mortar store. Would we rather they spend time and money fixing the website or cranking out more product?
 
Baddog... Youre right for the most part.

Only 1 problem. Theyre not doing either though. Ha!
 
Also, the folks "cranking out products" arent the same folks that would update a web store. Just saying..
And i only took 1 day off work for the holidays, not 10 or 11 or whatever it was..
 
Well, i just received a new CTD catalog and the YHM 7810 caught my eye... i jumped online and saw they had them in stock so i ordered one. My luck i will receive both CTD and S&W's "notice of shipment" email tomorrow morning.

I will try to call Smith again tomorrow and cancel.
 
Sent a gun in 12/12/12, after receiving the shipping label, for warranty work. Included a letter describing trouble & included my name/address, tel#, & email, which I used earlier with CS. Seven days after it was signed for by S&W, I received a letter (why not an email?) advising they received the gun & it'd be fixed, typically, in 2-3 weeks. No mention of holiday closure schedule. Still waiting.

I called CS a week ago to get the status on my gun. The peron I spoke to was of little help. First, they wanted the SN#, not the WO#, to lookup my info. They thought the warranty work was done, but couldn't tell me what all was done to it (they didn't even know/couldn't tell, why I sent it in? ...warranty work & estimate on customer work). I asked when the estimate would be completed & they said another week or two (it is only a couple simple items). Why don't they have a system that has a detailed history of events that each person adds to & anyone can see? Again, like ordering from the on-line store, it seems like they have an outdated system.
 
Also, the folks "cranking out products" arent the same folks that would update a web store. Just saying..
And i only took 1 day off work for the holidays, not 10 or 11 or whatever it was..

It is common for a business this big to do a plant or complete business shut down over Holidays, it works out better than running lines half staffed. In any case it looks like right after they came back to work they updated the store and almost everything is marked out of stock, just like every other place you look on the web.

If you get lucky and find someone who has a item in stock call right then and there and place your order over the phone after having them verify stock because if you wait 2 hours it will be sold out. We are in a time none of us have ever been in before, not even 4 years ago.
 
I called CS a week ago to get the status on my gun. The peron I spoke to was of little help. First, they wanted the SN#, not the WO#, to lookup my info. They thought the warranty work was done, but couldn't tell me what all was done to it (they didn't even know/couldn't tell, why I sent it in? ...warranty work & estimate on customer work). I asked when the estimate would be completed & they said another week or two (it is only a couple simple items). Why don't they have a system that has a detailed history of events that each person adds to & anyone can see? Again, like ordering from the on-line store, it seems like they have an outdated system.

Bluedot, your case is a perfect example, We have a historically significant company producing a great product that appears to have significant internal management issues.

Management like they display cost the company money along with a host of other issues. S&W is not some new start-up company trying to get the kinks worked out..
This kind of management causes within the company confusion, poor accountability, unclear goals and fosters a mindset of, it's not my job... These issues breed poor results in all areas from product production to workforce environment.
I would not stand for it were it my company..

But excuses will be made.. More than one business giant that is great at one thing has gone under simply because they could not manage other aspects of their business..

S&W is not alone.. far from it.. The Colt forum displays the same with ton of excuses, my favorite being along the lines of "If it's not a a Colt it's junk..."
Like that has any basis in reality...
Really, the mindset of some make me shake my head..

S&W makes some really fine weapons, on that we can all agree.. Their history and heritage is a really fascinating story.
Hopefully they will not end up as just that , History..


Any CEO worth his weight in salt would not allow poor management, business practices to continue, unless he/she is unaware they exist,

Which would bring me to another point.....
 
This kind of management causes within the company confusion, poor accountability, unclear goals and fosters a mindset of, it's not my job... These issues breed poor results in all areas from product production to workforce environment.

Huh????.....

Like most every other weapons manufacturer, S&W has a website and on line storefront. Many manufacturers have a storefront, but don't sell on line, you must go through one of their listed dealers, Gallery of Guns, etc. In the case of S&W, it's just a minor operation – they don't want to undercut their dealer network, but they do offer a place you can buy an uncommonly found item like a 300 Whisper/Blackout upper. They complete the storefront by listing some other common items, like mags, but know they won't sell many because most buyers will go to Brownells, Midway, etc, because those prices will be much lower.

In November, President Obama is reelected. In December, Newtown. Almost overnight there is a Tsunami of buying panic in the weapons industry. Six months or more of weapons are sold in one month, and even a larger amount of ammo, parts, and mags are sold and ordered.

Now even the S&W website is overwhelmed. What was once almost a mom&pop operation is inundated with orders for which they do not have the manning or computer power to handle. Their customer service is under the same intense pressure because that same increase of six months or more weapons sold in one month also translates into six times or more the usual number of customer service requests.

Easy fix, right? Just hire more people. But you don't hire permanent workers if you anticipate their need for just the next couple of months. So you hire from a temp agency, you've got bodies answering phones and emails, but for a few weeks they are just temp help learning the system, asking others for technical details and unable to make company decisions. In the end, the buying panic passes, customer service gets control of returns, storefront orders are filled and return to the previous normal. Happy ending.
 

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