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I wore it all day today and I must say, the 1 1/2 inch clip works fine with my 1 /14 belt...no movemnt at all...of course, the gun is held in so close to my body that maybe the textured grips against my A-shirt help...:)
 
As usual, great looking, functional holsters. Personally, I'd like to see J clips on models made for small, lightweight guns. And C clips for heavier. In any case, crome wouldn't be my choice.

Actually, I'd like to see leather rings in several colors that would slip around the outside leg of the clip. Use a ring that matches your belt to cover the clip. Couldn't cost much in either time or materials.
 
Well, judging by all the responses it appears that there will be some interest in this holster style.

As Sipowicz has pointed out, the holster that he is using is a pre-production test version. Production holsters will feature a different clip.

My experience with clip-style IWB holsters was always that (1) having the clip located over the slide or cylinder of the handgun caused an objectionable increase in bulk, and (2) the clips offered were not well-suited to the task.

I especially like the clip-style IWB holsters for carrying a smaller revolver or semi-auto in the appendix position. This makes a very concealable combination and is comfortable for most users.

Personally, I have never found rough-out construction to add significantly to the usefulness of these designs, but I do appreciate the input offered by others on this feature.

The fit of the clip to the belt, as well as the inherent strength of the clip used, greatly affects the stability of the holstered handgun. I have done a fair amount of research to locate a clip that will perform as required to securely anchor the holster in place.

By offsetting the clip location over the trigger guard area we can both reduce the bulk of the holstered handgun and also increase tension on the trigger guard, pulling the handgun more closely in.

After going through the offerings of many suppliers I was not able to find what i wanted in a belt clip. So, I have proceeded on and located a manufacturer of the clips. The clips to be used are of considerably heavier gauge spring steel than any I have seen elsewhere. Also, these clips do not require permanent mounting to work properly, so can be replaced if any damage ever occurs. The clips that I have selected, in addition to being significantly stronger, are designed in such a way that they "lock" into place during use. This will permit use of the clip either over the belt or behind the belt. Flat black will be the standard clip color, which as has been pointed out is less likely to draw unwanted attention.

As soon as I have completed a few of the final production version I will add this model to the website.

Thanks for all the comments and input.
 
Sounds like I'll be needing one of each. (revolver & auto)
 
I've been using a Kramer IWB clip extensively for a few years with a 642 and it works great. It's smooth side out, clip on top of the cylinder and single layer. It's ~invisible~ under a t-shirt when carried appendix and extremely comfortable. Having the clip behind the cylinder would make it even better.

The only thing I see "wrong" with the pictured holster is the re-inforced mouth. That adds bulk to the design and is not a desired feature for a semi-deep concealment holster in my opinion.

p.s. I never clip over my belt and have never had any problems with the holster coming out with the gun (the Kramer IWB clip is not a molded holster).
 
The only thing I see "wrong" with the pictured holster is the re-inforced mouth. That adds bulk to the design and is not a desired feature for a semi-deep concealment holster in my opinion.

I tend to agree...many folk like the idea of being able to reholster one handed, but I have never felt that was an issue with a CCW gun that you may never pull...if there is a way to mount the clip like on my P2000 model, that would be a big plus...
 
"LoboGunLeather"

If I may make a few observations:

I feel that rough out surfaces do work on some Inside-The-Pant designs but with the severely shaped and hard molded type that is shown here, I would have to agree with you that it would probably add little in the way of stabilizing this holster. As the purpose of such a finish is to keep things from moving around (not pulling out as that is obviously a function of the clip), with such a limited bearing (contact) surface, I don't think there is much to gain by including it here. That, and I would think again with this body type, contact on the high spots would, over time, burnish down the roughness anyway; making the whole thing moot.

I would assume that you are sticking with a metal clip and it sounds as though you have already picked or designed something that will meet your needs that is of a type other than that shown on the prototypes. If I may add (and you probably already know this), there are heavyweight metal styles out there that can form more of an outward, small diameter "J" at the bottom rather than just the conventional angular "bend" that is usually part of the closer and contact point configuration. That way, if the user chooses to clip the holster to his or her waistband rather than to the belt itself, if there is a belt outboard of the clip, it can be set into the loop (or at least positioned relative to it so as to be caught it if upward movement of the holster does take place on the draw).

At the same time, inward "piercing(s)" can be had either to catch the lower edge of the belt when the clip is worn over one or to press more effectively into the clothing if there isn't one or if it's worn behind the belt as described above. These inward "piercings" (thru the clip body) can usually be designed to create more tension against either the lower edge of the belt (or the clothing itself depending on the application) than is typically generated by what is usually a generally radiused, polished and sometimes plated contact surface in most conventional clips used in this manner.

Clips like this can do some amazing things when compared to what people have come to take for granted when it comes to the traditional belt clips seen for the last century on concealment holsters and pouches.

As to finish, you mention that yours will be flat black. Will this be a powder coating or some sort of applied paint finish? Sadly, most of the finishes used in the past (other than bluing, a nightmare itself in terms of performance) left a lot to be desired in that the flexing of the loop ultimately led to cracking, flaking or chipping. If this is your first venture into such a thing, I'd test the living daylights out of whatever finish you are considering in terms of both this situation and corrosion as well.

The other thing you might want to consider is more than just a "flat" luster generated from the finishing material itself. I realize that it might affect the price, but roughening the surface before applying the finish can (depending on what you are using for a finish) make it truly non-reflecting (as can certain secondary operations done after the finish has been applied). For quite often "flat" finishes (black or not) can still be more eye-catching (for a variety of reason) than one might like.

The only issue here is that whatever might be done to the surface needs to be "done" (as well as selected) carefully so that it does not affect the performance characteristics of the metal itself. You don't want to either work harden (or, conversely, unintentionally soften) the spring. It is possible to do both and just like poor design or improper bending (forming) practices, this can often create overlooked issues that show up at the worst of times. (Sorta the way hydrogen embrittlement issues can mess up otherwise decently formed spring steels when plating them.)

And if I may be so bold, in my experience, a lot of this stuff (from design, to function, to life expectancy, to finish) can be gotten around by injection molding the clip. Really neat surfaces can be created that you just can't form without fracturing metal. Pressure can be created by both design and material. Materials can be found that will stand up better to the "over-opening" many people apply to the clip when putting the holster on and taking it off. And both coloring and mold texturing can employed to provide a surface finish that will look neutral, not reflect anything and not change (or discolor) over time. More and more of these types are becoming available as over-the-counter or OEM parts all the time.

Just a thought.

And one last thing if I may, I fully agree with "Photoman44" and "Sipowicz" that for most (not all) civilian applications, the need to reholster the firearm isn't that great. Now you've got some people who believe they have to be able to do so and that's fine. And you've got other people who actually practice a lot or that will attend schools where they will be expected to reholster after every "run" and they'll need something like this. But generally, "people" (and not the "police") are not faced with situations where de-escalations might force them to put the gun away and employ a different tool or others times where handcuffing and not the gun might ultimately be required.

And looking to one of the real advantages of such a holster (being able to hide guns; especially longer barreled firearms with shorter shirts, sweaters and jackets) you might be defeating the purpose if the pants (waistline) becomes so distended that it, in turn, gives an otherwise undetected firearm away. For if you are dealing with a shorter tube gun (like your J-Frame example here), if this "bulge is problematic and nothing is sticking down past the edge of the covering garment, then you might as well use a tight-to-the-body, Neslon/Askins type design or even a smoothed-out Baker type pancake and not have the problem in the first place.

I might consider an unreinforced mouth version to cut bulk to a minimum and tout the daylights out of that feature in combination with the effect of the clip positioning. And a reinforced mouth version for those who need it or are willing to pay slightly extra for its benefits.

Just a(nother) thought.

And I hope you take all of these thoughts in the spirit in which they are intended. From the photos I've seen here and elsewhere you appear to do good work; with a good eye for detailing. And everybody who comments on your holsters from first had experience seems to like them. And things like this clip location, show good thinking as well. Good luck to you in your efforts.
 
Take a look at the "Talon" clip used by Alessi. It works very well behind the belt and is virtually invisible.
 
Got an email today that mines ready and being shipped. For my 442.
 

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The combined reinforcement and clip cover on the J-Frame holster is interesting. A workable idea if you either wear untucked shirts or an additional cover garment. I don't, so it wouldn't work for me. Nice apparent quality though.

All of the IWBs I make are tuckable.
 
I tend to agree...many folk like the idea of being able to reholster one handed, but I have never felt that was an issue with a CCW gun that you may never pull...if there is a way to mount the clip like on my P2000 model, that would be a big plus...
I thought the same thing... until I bought a cheap Bianchi IWB for my Glock 19 the day I picked up my Ohio CHL.

  1. The clip was INCREDIBLY aggressive. I had trouble getting it on over my belt and pants with my pants OFF.
  2. The unreinforced mouth made it EXTREMELY difficult to holster at the beginning of the day, with the holster already on my belt/pants. It was SO difficult that I was afraid that part of the holster might get inside the trigger guard and cause an ND.
I tried using the thing for two days and then pitched it in a drawer. I recently cut off the clip cover to see how it was sewn, while making my own tuckable IWBs.

I bought a Don Hume 715M and had NONE of these problems while having a secure holster that NEVER came off unintentionally. Massad Ayoob has singled that holster out for its security on your belt.

Now I'm making my own tuckable IWBs. Every one of them has a reinforced mouth, albeit with a much smaller reinforcement.
 

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The clip was INCREDIBLY aggressive. I had trouble getting it on over my belt and pants with my pants OFF.
The unreinforced mouth made it EXTREMELY difficult to holster at the beginning of the day, with the holster already on my belt/pants. It was SO difficult that I was afraid that part of the holster might get inside the trigger guard and cause an ND.

I don't see any of this as an issue since clip holsters are designed to put on and off with the gun in them.
 
I don't see any of this as an issue since clip holsters are designed to put on and off with the gun in them.
That would make not being able to get the clip over your belt, with your pants on OR off, a bit of an issue, wouldn't it?

I considered the thing dangerous to the point where I refused to use it after a couple of days.

I have NONE of those problems, either with the Don Hume which replaced it, or with my own tuckable which replaced the Don Hume.

The cheap Bianchis are no bargain, at ANY price.
 
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Update on the offset clip IWB project

Last year I started development work on the offset clip IWB design and produced several prototype holsters for testing. One of the key elements identified in those tests was the need for a belt clip that (1) has the strength to clip the belt and/or trouser waistband strongly enough, (2) resists twisting, bending, and breakage, and (3) is properly fitted to the belt sizes in common use.

I located a clip manufacturer that would produce clips to my specifications, and received a few samples for further testing. Satisfied with the results, I produced a few production holsters, placed an order for the first batch of clips, and started taking orders pending delivery of the clips.

The promised delivery date passed with no clips, and I was given another promised delivery date. That passed, and the clip manufacturer stopped replying to e-mails and phone calls.

I have since spent several months looking for another clip manufacturer, and have recently taken delivery of the first production run of my new belt clips. I am very pleased with the quality and design. I will now begin production of the Offset Clip IWB-style holsters, and will be adding a webpage to display that style.

My apologies to all who waited patiently, then were disappointed. I now have hundreds of clips in stock, so there will be no further delays or disappointments.
 
re clip holster

Just to note, LOBO does not make a canted version of this holster, SIDEGUARD does make a canted version.
 
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