So I bought a 460V...

[Imissedagain]

To the OP and all.
All cartridges that require roll crimps get trimmed after sizing.....
from 458 WinMag to the 38/357...... with several in between .....are not done on our 550.....but single stage RCBS.
If we get a 338 Lapua then a CoAx will be purchased.

Besides reading everything Ruggy/ruggyh, who has been truly generous
with his time/knowledge check CalGuns etc etc.
Interesting reading the history of the X frames and those who pioneered them.

Swapped a pound of BE for #9 with a local yesterday and more powder and bullets will be here mañana.... #9, 2400, 4227, and a big bucket of Trail Boss.

Have fun
Stay safe

 

[mainegrw]

So I have a concern, and I wanted the opinions of the group:

When I inspected the fired 460 brass, I noticed that the primers were forced backward and flattened against the breach face when fired. This does not seem normal to me, though then again, I'm new to the world of super magnum calibers. Has anyone seen this before? Is it something to be concerned about?

I've attached a photo showing spent brass, versus an unfired cartridge. The unfired cartidge's primer is ever so slightly recessed, and sports a radiused edge. The fired brass has the primer flattened flush with the cartridge base. There is no indication of primer piercing, just flattening.

I should also mention, I don't have my 45LC brass handy to compare. I share my reloading setup with another family member, so my spent 45LC brass is off site right now...

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[Sevens]

100% normal. As in... couldn't be MORE normal.

"Reading primers" is an irrationally inexact science. Not even fair to call it science. Far too much is made about what can be seen with a look at a fired case's primer.

If you want a piece of .460 Magnum brass and it's spent primer to look different, you'd need to load it at half pressure.

 

[mainegrw]

100% normal. As in... couldn't be MORE normal.

"Reading primers" is an irrationally inexact science. Not even fair to call it science. Far too much is made about what can be seen with a look at a fired case's primer.

If you want a piece of .460 Magnum brass and it's spent primer to look different, you'd need to load it at half pressure.

Thanks, I just wanted to be sure, and as I said, I've never seen a primer flatten like that before.

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[ruggyh]

Thanks, I just wanted to be sure, and as I said, I've never seen a primer flatten like that before.

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Simply because you have not shoot rounds operating at these pressures. Primers reading is of no real value for the super magnum class of handgun cartridges, pressures above 50 KPSI.

Your best indication of over pressure load is sticking cartridges.
Sticky extraction is your best indicator you are at the top of charge with 460. If your rounds are hard to extract / sticking you at or above 62 KPSI.

be safe
Ruggy

 

[nipperdog]

I shot my 5.5" Redhawk Today with 240 JHP Bullets over 21.5gns of 2400, and I swear that the Recoil was more severe than Firing my 460V with Hornady Factory Loads. The Sound Level of the 460 is Terrific Protect your Hearing.

 

[nachogrande]

SHOOT 1 BEFORE BUYING 1???

I see many of the big dogs for sale used with VERY low round counts. JMO but a reason for owning other than it being big/bad would seem to make sense.

 

[delcrossv]

I see many of the big dogs for sale used with VERY low round counts. JMO but a reason for owning other than it being big/bad would seem to make sense.

I'd recommend it. I'm pretty recoil insensitive and find the 460 to be more pleasant to shoot than, for example, a 629 (mostly due to the grips IMO).

I got mine as a camping gun because we do deep woods/national forest camping.

Probably the only gun more likely to be sold with low round counts is a 329.

Rent before you buy.

 

[diyj98]

This thread has been done many times. Do a search and there is lot of information in this forum.

Congratulations on your purchase.



The caliber and weight of the firearm determine recoil. There are many 44 MAG revolvers that are very unpleasant compared to a 460 S&W.

be safe
Ruggy

I agree. My 69 is more uncomfortable to shoot with maximum loaded 44 magnums than my 460 was, but the 69 is a fraction of the weight of the big 460.

 

[BLUEDOT37]

Now the indoor range that you shot the 460 at is basically the most obnoxious venue possible outside of, perhaps, shooting in your car. I'm not saying that you shouldn't shoot a 460 on an indoor range, but I am saying that without a doubt, it is FAR more enjoyable outdoors. The noise, pressure blast and concussion from the ceiling, the floor and also from typical walls/booths in each shooting lane simply amplify all of the forces.

I know that 460 is best enjoyed outside, however the only range I had access to yesterday was that particular indoor range. It is a unique range that allows use of large bore handguns, centerfire rifles, and shotguns.
Odds are I'll probably refrain from shooting 460 in there again.

The indoor range that I'm a member of allows centerfire rifles also, even though it's just 25yds. max.

Years ago I used to feel guilty shooting my BIG revolvers there but since the "craze" hit a couple years ago there's lots of ARxx's being shot there now.

Many of those short barreled rifles are horribly loud & annoying. I put up with them & don't complain. Since the range wants to cater to them I don't worry about mine anymore.

I go at off-peak hours, always asks for the far end of the range, & try to wait for the adjacent lanes to leave before blasting away. Usually plenty of other lanes available if someone wants to move.

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[mainegrw]

Update:

I decided yesterday that the 460V wasn't enough gun for me, and it has been traded for a 460XVR...

All kidding aside, I had been after the 8 3/8" 460XVR for quite some time now, though they rarely show up for sale in my local market. I had chosen the 460V becuase it was more prevalent, and the next most sensible choice, with the only other options being the ludicrously huge and expensive Performance Center models.

Long story short, 2 weeks after grabbing the 460V, the folks at my LGS hand me a massive plastic S&W case, inside of which was an XVR that they had just taken in on trade from someone else. A reasonable trade deal was struck, and home it went with me.

There's alot I like more about the XVR over the V model. Personally, I find the gun balances a little better with the longer barrel, and it definitely handles the recoil of the 460 magnum a lot better as well (took it directly to the range last night). The impact of the recoil on my hands is much lighter, almost negliable, and thus more enjoyable to shoot with the Hornady ammo I have. That's not to say the 460V was painful or not fun to shoot, but I can say there's a limit to how many rounds of 460 I'd shoot with it in a session, whereas the with XVR, I could go indefinitely.

I also found the XVR to be an excellent shooter with 45LC as well, I had worried that the change in balance in the gun would affect how enjoyable it was it the lighter loads, but it's a tack driver to say the least, and I love it!

With regards to the gun itself, I got it used of course, however it appeared to have been shot very little and very well cared for. With it came the plastic case, all paperwork, extra front sight (I really like the DX style front sights, I wish they were available on more revolvers), both muzzle brakes, and the keys and tools. To say that I'm happy with the switch is an understatment.

Quick question for the group: both the 460V and 460XVR came with an L-shaped length of steel rod. What is the purpose of this? I assumed it was for checking for bore obstructions and I cannot find any other use for it.

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[Jboutfishn]

I sold my XVR over a year ago do to 77year old joints. I am surprised no one is talking about how effective the round is on game, in my case pigs. We are talking instant "bang flops".

 

[Black Sunshine]

The L shaped rod is, I believe, used to remove/install the compensator.

 

[Plink]

I got a 460XVR 3.5" barrel for Fathers' day and tried it out today with Colt .45, which was all they sold at the range. I was sort of wondering about firing it at an indoor range with .460 Mag so this thread was useful. I guess if it's no louder than a short barreled AR, I'm fine; there are plenty of those on the line.

 

[mainegrw]

I got a 460XVR 3.5" barrel for Fathers' day and tried it out today with Colt .45, which was all they sold at the range. I was sort of wondering about firing it at an indoor range with .460 Mag so this thread was useful. I guess if it's no louder than a short barreled AR, I'm fine; there are plenty of those on the line.

Just do yourself a favor and wear ear plugs with ear muffs if you shoot 460mag inside. It's a bit painful if you don't.

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[cladd1]

Two years ago I purchased a 460 XVR and found it too nose heavy so I ended up trading it for the V model. I found it (for me) is much easier to shoot due to it's better balance. I reload for mine and found a load using Hornady 240 XTP Mag bullets that run around 1600 FPS - very pleasant to shoot.

 

[Plink]

Just do yourself a favor and wear ear plugs with ear muffs if you shoot 460mag inside. It's a bit painful if you don't.

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Thanks and will do; however now I'm concerned again about my neighbors behind plexiglass in stations on either side. It's a very busy and crowded range. Hate to make myself unwelcome. Already not wearing a mask

 

[Plink]

I finally got to the range with the SVR to shoot something besides Colt .45. There is a big jump from the Colt Long to the 454 Casull. Less of a jump from the the Casull to the Magnum, although another level of pyrotechnics from the cylinder gap. Lights up the room.
I packed my ears with some silly-putty material i bought at the range counter, and then used noise cancel headphones but my ears are still ringing slightly. The guy next to me shooting bullseye centerfire certainly noticed although it was more astonishment than irritation.
After watching youtubes etc I was prepared for ferocious recoil but realistically it was totally manageable. My accuracy was atrocious, and I'd like to blame the short barrel but my Colt .45 patterns were pretty good...
I concluded there is a very narrow use-case for this thing: It's a weapon of last resort when being attacked unexpectedly by something very big and very close. I say unexpectedly because if you are hunting something large enough to warrant this tool, you'll have a rifle. I say close because its not easy to aim and you have only five tries...