So... What good IS the .25 ACP???
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No. It's been in every issue of the American Rifleman Magazine since time immemorial. Look it up yourself.
You challenged COMMON KNOWLEDGE.
THEmodelof1989
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EVERY issue of American Rifle Magazine has these statistics posted huh? That is a a bald-faced lie.
If the knowledge is so common, then you should EASILY be able to reproduce the information. The fact that you cannot just proves that that information is garbage.
If you get into existing Defensive Gun Use ("DGU") studies with a critical eye, you will quickly figure out that it all depends on what you consider to be a DGU. The figures vary wildly depending on that and, of course, the pro or anti politics of the source. At the high end (from pro-gun sources), it looks like the figure in question here is about 90%.
At the low end (from the anti-gun folks), DGU practically doesn't even exist.
Defensive gun use - Wikipedia
THEmodelof1989
Member
If you get into existing Defensive Gun Use ("DGU") studies with a critical eye, you will quickly figure out that it all depends on what you consider to be a DGU. The figures vary wildly depending on that and, of course, the pro or anti politics of the source. At the high end (from pro-gun sources), it looks like the figure in question here is about 90%.
At the low end (from the anti-gun folks), DGU practically doesn't even exist.
Defensive gun use - Wikipedia
Wikipedia is not a reliable source unfortunately, as anyone can edit the information there at any time. I will concede that while unreliable as a source, it is often still accurate.
The accurate and unbiased information I've been able to find is an independent study done by Claude Werner; a very well known firearm enthusiast, shooter, trainer, and writer. The study is dated, but it's not like less people are defending themselves today, and gun ownership has gone up wildly since then. In his study, SHOTS WERE FIRED in a WHOPPING 72% of incidents.
Here is that article...
Analysis of Five Years of Armed Encounters (With Data Tables) | Guns Save Lives
The Wikipedia mention was strictly for reference to the various studies that have been done. You are right: Never believe anything you read on Wikipedia without also checking the source material.
But again, it all depends on how you define a DGU. Widen the definition to the max and you get in the 90-something percent range. Limit that definition to the max and you get less than 10%... practically nothing. The result depends almost entirely on your definition of DGU and where you choose to get your data.
OP
The gun has some novel features. The slide locks back on the last shot. Those handling it for the first time don't know how to close the slide.
The secret is to withdraw the magazine and re-insert it. The slide snaps forward then. If the magazine has one or more rounds in it, a cartridge is automatically chambered. This feature carried over to the later Mauser HSc.
The safety is unique. The lever on the left side, when pressed down, puts the gun on safe. To dis-engage it, the button under the safety lever is pressed.
There is also a "cocked" indicator that projects from the back of the slide.
Interesting, no?
John
OP
I found this image in my files. Looks like a lady from times gone by had another method for carrying a little Colt .25!
John
John
CZ45 made in 1947. I added the engraving.
Double action only. No safety, no sights, no levers, no buttons.
The only 'extra' is the magazine release on the bottom.
It does have a mag safety, but with only one magazine at the present and no wild firefight in the future that I can see for Me&CZ,,I think we'll be just fine.
This and the pre-war CZ36 edition gave Louis Seecamp some of his ideas for his small pistol designs.
A bit larger than most mouse pistols, but it handles very nicely. Very accurate to fire and easy to shoot. 100% reliable with any ammo I've used so far.
The DA only trigger is very smooth.
I carry it almost all the time.
Other 25's were 'too small' for my aging hands. The Bernardelli & Browning Babys were getting difficult to handle safely. The Bernardelli Baby was not that reliable for me either..
Besides I just like it.
Other than this,, a Walther P1 goes along.
Double action only. No safety, no sights, no levers, no buttons.
The only 'extra' is the magazine release on the bottom.
It does have a mag safety, but with only one magazine at the present and no wild firefight in the future that I can see for Me&CZ,,I think we'll be just fine.
This and the pre-war CZ36 edition gave Louis Seecamp some of his ideas for his small pistol designs.
A bit larger than most mouse pistols, but it handles very nicely. Very accurate to fire and easy to shoot. 100% reliable with any ammo I've used so far.
The DA only trigger is very smooth.
I carry it almost all the time.
Other 25's were 'too small' for my aging hands. The Bernardelli & Browning Babys were getting difficult to handle safely. The Bernardelli Baby was not that reliable for me either..
Besides I just like it.
Other than this,, a Walther P1 goes along.
Flattop5
Member
I have a black Armi Galesi .25, it looks like this one:
Armi galesi .25 pocket pistol - Calguns.net
I swear, I could not hit an elephant with it from 7 feet away -- shooting the gun or throwing the gun. A pretty conversation piece, but it's virtually useless (unless I stick the gun right against the target).
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Armi galesi .25 pocket pistol - Calguns.net
I swear, I could not hit an elephant with it from 7 feet away -- shooting the gun or throwing the gun. A pretty conversation piece, but it's virtually useless (unless I stick the gun right against the target).
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LimaCharlie
US Veteran
I collect Colts and bought a 1908 Hammerless .25 Vest Pocket dated to 1915. I took it home and cleaned it. We took it to the range and I shot it at a ten yard target. I put six on the target with two in the black and thought I did good with the groove for sights. My wife shot it and put six on target with four in the black. She said, "This is my gun now."
They are good for very deep concealment and contact distances. When I get up in the morning, I drop an NAA Mini-22m in my pajama pocket until I get dressed. My wife will drop the Colt .25 in her pocket until she gets dressed. We have several other handguns, rifles, and shotguns available around the home.
They are good for very deep concealment and contact distances. When I get up in the morning, I drop an NAA Mini-22m in my pajama pocket until I get dressed. My wife will drop the Colt .25 in her pocket until she gets dressed. We have several other handguns, rifles, and shotguns available around the home.
I was never much on any kind of small handguns. I've had dozens taken on trades. I've had several small 22s that shot surprising well. I only was surprised by one 25acp. I had a Mauser 1910 that shot well enough it was enjoyable to plink with. I bought this pistol in a flap holster with extra mag and on a belt with Imperial German seal from WW1 era. I sold the rig to a collector who said it was a staff officers issue side arm. It is a good bit bigger and heavier than most 25s.
“Is that an NAA pistol in your pajama pocket, or are you happy to see me?” Sorry, couldn’t resist.....
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sigp220.45
US Veteran
Those little boogers will shoot. Mine is the FN version of yours, but the same gun. I tried it out at only 7 yards and didn't expect much given those sights, but it did fine.
I rolled it on down to the 20 yard line, and they all stayed on silhouette.
Flattop5
Member
"Hey, is that a 3-inch barrel ya got in there?"
(As the guy in the movie Deliverance: "why don't ya try it an' see??").
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Those little boogers will shoot. Mine is the FN version of yours, but the same gun. I tried it out at only 7 yards and didn't expect much given those sights, but it did fine.
I rolled it on down to the 20 yard line, and they all stayed on silhouette.
So is mine. And I can do the same you do with yours. But would only use it at bad breath distance and shoot up into the nose. I believe the opponent wouldn't get mad at me.
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Walter Rego
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Paladin, I am also a fan of the Josef Nickl designed Mauser pocket autos. There are better choices for pocket carry these days but they have to be admired for their craftsmanship.
Here are my Model 1910 and Model 1914 in 6.35mm and 7.65mm. They shoot great by the way.
Here are my Model 1910 and Model 1914 in 6.35mm and 7.65mm. They shoot great by the way.
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Beautiful Mausers! I have a 32 but it’s not in that great of shape. Fun shooter.
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