So what is the real covid situation in America?

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It's all agenda driven politics, Kiwi.

https://www.realclearmarkets.com/ar...p-flop_might_be_its_final_undoing_787443.html

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The crazy, convoluted, mixed up messaging from the CDC – it's been this way from the beginning of the pandemic until now – has taken yet another turn. Now the CDC is recommending masks not just for the unvaccinated but for the vaccinated too. This is supposedly because of the discovery that the variant known as Delta is making an end-run around the vaccines, causing not only infections but infectious spread.

So we have an odd situation developing. The layperson's understanding of a vaccine is that it protects a person against infection, like measles or smallpox. In other words, you won't get Covid, exactly as President Biden accidentally and apparently inaccurately said in a press conference last week. That is apparently untrue in this case. That realization seemed to dawn on people only a few weeks ago, as reports from Israel revealed that half the new infections listed were with people who had been fully vaccinated...
 
You'll have to be flexible and assess the situation much closer to your actual travel date.

Starting with legal restrictions in place. I just got back from Europe last week. At this time the only difference to normal were masks from the moment you set foot in the airport for the entire flight until you left your destination airport, and in public indoors places.

But to get back on the flight to the US, I needed a negative Covid test, even as a double-vaccinated US citizen. And Europeans are still banned from tourist and even most business travel to the US.

And with the Delta variant, there were news stories every day I was there about possible changes.

So planning group travel to the US from another country for tourist purposes more than half a year out may be chancy business.

While internal lockdowns here will be politically highly problematic, foreign visitors who don't vote are easy marks for restrictions if the situation worsens and if politicians need to be seen to be "doing something". That's just the reality.
 
Everyone is going to have to decide all of this themselves. I am 67 and generally really good health, I work out daily and take reasonable care of myself. I have had two different lung diseases that are no longer present aside from a few remnants. My wife and I have both received the J&J drug (I hesitate to call them vaccines).

Early on in this I watched a German Doctor, his name escapes me who was concerned that never in history have we interrupted a virus with a vaccine. He said that the normal path is for a virus to be allowed to mutate and it becomes less powerful as it seeks new hosts.

Fast forward to where we are now. I would advise you to watch as many podcasts and videos of one Dr. Malone. He is NOT an anti vaxer, in fact he worked on many and is the inventor of the mRNA. He does not have access to the data but he says it isn't that difficult to figure out. Note, I don't pretend to know all of this. Bottom line, as I understand it, the virus "seems" to be attacking people who have had the Pfizer shots. He goes on to say this is why they are talking about a booster just for Pfizer only. What happens is the virus finds its way to those with the Pfizer and it mutates there. His view is that it is replicating in previously vaccinated people and they then become carriers. He claims there is an easy way to find out if they have the virus or are carriers - just test the blood and not just the nose.

Through all of this I have not been concerned. We took precautions and took it easy, mostly staying home. Now, if Malone is correct, we have actually created a bigger potential problem. Where this all ends, I have no idea but I simply do not trust the propaganda machines that are out there.

Also keep in mind, the "vaccines" were never designed to keep one from contracting the virus, just from getting as sick and requiring hospitalization.
 
With the opening of public schools soon, who knows?
The same dithering types of indecision evidenced here on the forum is probably experienced doubly so by parents who find themselves dependent on their own best judgement on what's best for their kids because the answers simply ain't there.
Maybe the peak will come and hopefully level out by 2022 after a few months of back to school.
 
Most of my family members have had covid including myself and none have gotten it a second time. Two that did not get it but have received the vaccine have come down with it in the last month. In saying that I am not worried but even I would not travel the US right now gambling/testing the system on whether or not I could get it again. But at the end of the day it is your choice, but if you are taking a poll I vote stay close to home.
 
One web site you can use to see the status in a given area is Covid Act Now

The link I posted is focussed on Texas but you can type in your state, county, or city in the search bar to move to a different area. The risk rating is based on the rate of new cases, the infection rate (average number of cases that are caused by each new case) and the percentage of tests that are positive.

Most states and many counties and larger cities also have web sites that show the number of cases being reported and change over time.

Mike
 
Your vaccinated, unless your plans include spending your time shoulder to shoulder with throngs of teens and 20 somethings at bars, restaurants and concerts, you'll be fine. Extra points for visiting more sparsely populated northern states in the summer...and the weather and scenery is far superior. I would be more concerned with rapidly escalating crime in certain area's, and avoid them like the plague.
 
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altbrewer said:
One web site you can use to see the status in a given area is Covid Act Now

The link I posted is focussed on Texas but you can type in your state, county, or city in the search bar to move to a different area. The risk rating is based on the rate of new cases, the infection rate (average number of cases that are caused by each new case) and the percentage of tests that are positive.

Mike
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I do not trust the government stats. I get my information from
contacts I have known for years who work in places like Shreveport VA. They are experiencing an uptick in patients
admitted for the Delta Strain and who were previously vaccinated and younger patients. I am considering cancelling
appointments there. Additionally busses of Hatians are being
unloaded in Shreveport. The Sherriff there recently said there
is nothing they can do about it. In my State Governor Abbott
is using the National Guard to make arrests. I wear a mask
even thru drive through locations as my COPD and age is a
risk factor. I understand that illegal aliens are being relocated
to cities and places all across the country and come from
countries that don't have vaccines. Perfect recipe for the
government to solve the entitlement program solvency problems. I cancel a lot of appointments but some I can't.
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There was a couple articles in the paper today. The usual doom and gloom from the regular media and one from a syndicated author using CDC numbers. Basically, if you are vaccinated your chances of getting COVID are minimal and you have a bigger chance of dying from a lightning strike than COVID if you get it. The percentages were in the thousandth of a percent.
 
Cases in my midwestern state are increasing, a high % being those unvaccinated (esp requiring hospitalization). My county has a higher vac rate yet the state barely half; not like the virus recognizes borders or all the tourists visiting. And obviously every state has their own rules, guidelines and issues. Seems some of the southern states have the lowest vac rates in the states, so not sure how that could play out for the rest of '21.
I definitely don't listen to any politician (even ones I voted for) on the virus and implications; I do however listen to my personal Dr and those in the medical field here. Then I do what is best for me and my family/those in my circle.

As for traveling here, I could only suggest to wait and watch how things go. Heck now it is difficult (and $$$) to even find a rental car and who knows when that may change taking into account all the hurdles in that industry.

And when you can visit the states, be safe and enjoy.

Edit to add: while I have had my shots, my grandson has not due to his age group. So if the spread continues I likely will mask up when out and about in crowded areas, hoping not to carry something to him. As last year when we couldn't spend time with him was brutal and I don't want a repeat of that. Not to mention with all the mask wearing last fall/winter it was the first time in years I had no cold or pneumonia. Just another personal reason I may on my own wear a mask…… again doing what is best for me not what some stranger says I should or should not do.
 
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Keep in mind, you may not get covid here or if you do a mild case but if the general numbers in the US go bad many of the places you plan to visit may be locked down. As well as public transportation including air.
Steve W
 
Kiwi cop said:
We keep seeing headlines that infections are on the rise again, the delta variant is overloading hospitals ...
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Turn off the news and enjoy your stay here. The media has been trying to scare people from enjoying life. Even if every person in the whole world got vaccinated there is always a chance someone would still contract the virus. You know how long they've been trying to cure the common cold?
 
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Everything in life we should approach with the "reasonable person" standard, not with feelings or political opinions.

What would a reasonable person in that situation do?

I'd say go on the trip, have hand sanitizer available, wash your hands, don't cough and spit at each other, stay out of peoples bubble (at least people you don't know), etc.

It's nothing new and it all comes back to common sense, manners and respect. I don't need the government telling me to wash my hands... seriously!

Texas is open and most people seem to be calm about it. Wear a mask if you want but don't worry too much about others.

That's all I have to say; live your life and don't be scared.
 
Through those that refuse to get the shot, it is getting new legs..........

Nevada and two other states are on the rise again, with the new strains....
and also being one of the tourise traps in this country, does not help out.

Even the Olympics is getting hit, with all their restraints.
 
NY was initially one of the hardest hit places. We had a near complete lockdown, which made everyone angry. Now, with a remarkable recovery, most all of the restrictions (the state of emergency declaration) have been eliminated. Movie theaters, barbers, concerts, footballs games are back on.

The funny thing (well, not so funny) is that with all the mask wearing and hand sanitizer the flu was almost non-existent the past 18 months.

If you go out in public you wouldn't know there was a crisis. Nobody is wearing masks and social distancing is a thing of the past.

We are now in a slight uptick, but its mostly among the non-vaccinated.

Right after the mask mandate for vaccinated people was lifted, I went into a store that was non-essential and had been closed for many months. I imagine the owner had lost a lot of money. I was wearing my mask just out of respect and I was accosted by the owner, with XXX words befitting a jailhouse riot, because I was wearing a mask. He was NOT vaccinated, so technically he was in violation.

I'm not truly afraid of covid. Nevertheless, come Fall and flu season I'll go back to wearing one when I go shopping.

What I AM concerned about is the attitude of way too many people. The anti-vaxxers and the anti-everything just shows the lack of common sense.

Personally, we have cancelled all of our planned vacations and decided to stay home just because its calmer here. But thats just my opinion.
 
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