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Some days just don't work out so hot. I pastor four small rural churches. Monday is my off-day. This morning I finished and submitted four reports that were due today. About lunch I decided to head for the range. I loaded up the bag w/ a very old brick of Rem. Thunderbolts, a box of Win. 333 and a 100 rd. box of CCI Mini-Mags. In the pistol case went my RIA 1911-A1 with a Marvel .22LR conversion unit installed. I've had the Marvel for about a year. I've fired maybe two thousand rounds or so through it. It gives spectacular results w/ Aguila and CCI Mini-Mags. It gives very good accuracy w/ Rem. Golden bullets, but there are occasional feeding issues. The Rem. Thunderbolts work very well.

When I got to the range, I started with the CCI Mini-Mags. All went as normal. I shot two runs on the B-27 out to 25 yds. and scored 245 each time. I was very pleased. I then loaded up the Win. 333 and clipped on a new target. The first three rounds fired normally. The fourth round was nuclear bomb disaster. There was a lot of smoke and I felt something stinging me on my left hand. Something also spattered off the partition of the shooting lane and hit me in the side of the face. Thank God I was wearing glasses! My hands were really nasty looking, filthy, sooty. The slide was back w/ the fifth round jammed. It would not enter the chamber. I cleared the magazine and fifth round and checked the bore which was clear. I looked at the bolt face of the slide and the breech to see if there was anything wrong. I couldn't see anything at all. I removed the slide, etc. and then saw that the cartridge was still in the chamber, but the head of the round was missing. When I raised the muzzle up, the little piece of brass fell out in my hand. The head of the case was completely gone.

I checked the chamber and bore. All looked perfectly fine. The breech face, etc. was sooty but there was nothing else to see. I wiped it off with a paper towel, ran a brush through the chamber and a patch down the barrel. All looked fine. I dropped a round into the chamber and it entered normally. I reassembled the pistol and put the Win. 333 ammo aside. I fired the rest of the afternoon using the Rem. Thunderbolts which operated extremely well with only occasional failures to feed. In fact, I loaded up and fired 50 rounds just as fast as I could pull the trigger trying to make the pistol mess up. It ran like a champ, just like it always has. I don't normally use the plain lead bullets in this pistol as I've always thought it would work best with the copper coated .22 LR ammo. Out of several thousand rounds, it has always ran perfectly using the Aguila and CCI Mini-Mags. The manufacturer recommends CCI Mini-Mags.

I am at a loss as to what to do. I was able to buy three boxes of this 333 ammo and cannot just throw it all away. It is hard enough to find .22 LR ammo as it is. I am thinking I will just have to relegate it to use in my Ruger 77-22. Since it is a bolt action, I would think that it would be safe to use the ammo.

I have fired many many thousands of rounds of .22 LR ammo. Over the years it has always been something I could afford. I've always had a S&W 18... or sometimes a 17 to shoot. I've had the Ruger 77-22 since 1985. I've not ever had a single incident with any .22 LR ammo at all beyond and occasional round that would not fire. Even that has been a very seldom occurrence.

Has anyone else had a similar problem with the Win. 333 .22 LR ammo? Is this a problem peculiar to semi-automatic firearms? I've fired semi-automatic .22 LR pistols for over 30 years and have never had a cartridge mess up like this.

I apologize for this long post. It has been a long day. Sincerely. brucev.
 
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I shot some W333 last Saturday in my 617 and GSG 1911. All worked fine in the 617. However in GSG some didn't have enough power to cycle the slide. Only bringing the pistol to half ccok and closing back on the empty cartridge still in the barrel. On another occasion I was shooting W333 in my combat masterpiece and they leaded the forcing cone/barrel and cylinder throats terribly. Note that all these guns perform flawlessly with other .22 ammo. So.......2 batches of W333 have turned out to be **** ammo for me. I won't buy any more of it.
 
If you've got it, shoot it. The manufacturers turn out millions of rounds daily. A bad one is bound to slip by once in a while. Unfortunately, when it happens in semis you get pieces of brass flying around because the action can be blown back open just a tiny bit when the case ruptures.

I've had it happen several times over the years. The last time was when I was introducing a new shooter. Try to explain that. This is why we should always wear safety classes.
 
I'm glad you're OK.
It sounds to me like maybe the breech was not closed all the way, and the firing pin may have been out enough to to strike the rim of the cartridge before it was fully seated in the chamber.
If the pistol was pretty dirty that could happen.
Jim
 
This morning I dismantled the pistol and looked closely at everything. Yesterday when I went to the range, the pistol was clean. I always clean it after a trip to the range. The first 100 rounds were CCI Mini-Mags which fired normally. The problem w/ the 333 occurred with the first magazine, specifically the third round. After clearing the pistol and making sure it was O.K., I fired 500 rounds of Remington Thunderbolt. That ammunition worked very well.

I called Winchester this morning. They are sending UPS by the house tomorrow morning to pick up the ammunition to see what might be the problem. The lady with whom I spoke said they would be sending replacement ammunition which is of course very much appreciated.

I took the pistol back to the range late this afternoon and shot it a little bit. I had one 100 rd. box of CCI Mini-Mags left and some Federal Champion. The Mini-Mags worked perfectly in every way. The Federal Champion ammo has a plain lead bullet. It worked equally well.

I been looking at the way the pistol works when it is in battery. I have always cleaned it after a trip to the range. There have been occasional failures to feed using Remington Golden .22's and Thunderbolts. I've just always brushed it out about every 100 rds. and had no problems. I don't know what could have been the problem yesterday. I wondered if it could have been the recoil spring. But using the Aguila, CCI Mini-Mags, etc., feeding, firing and ejection has been perfect. Today the Federal Champions gave similar perfect results, 300 rounds fired with everything working perfectly.

I always thought that the recessed cylinder on the S&W 18-3 was a holdover from an earlier era. Now I'm not so sure. If this round had popped off like this in my 18-3, the bits of metal, etc. would certainly have not gone flying about all over the place. I do think that if I should buy another .22 pistol, I'm going to be looking hard at a 17 of some sort!
 
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