Some questions about mounting Burris Fast Fire on L-frame

[KMB]

I would like to mount Burris Fast Fire II sight on my 686. Unfortunately, Burris does not make a revolver mount for the Fast Fire that replaces the rear sight. However, I was able to find rear sight revolver mounts for Pride Fowler SOPS, Trijicon RMR, and JPoint sights. Looks-wise all of these sights are similar to Fast Fire, but I am not sure that the mounting screws are in the same location. From what I have read, it seems that JPoint and Fast Fire have different mounting locations. I am also fairly sure that Docter sight and Fast Fire have the same mounting locations (but Docter does not make a revolver mount for SW revolvers).

I am wondering if anyone has any experience with these sights and can tell me whether Pride Fowler SOPS or Trijicon RMR revolver mounts will properly interface with the Burris Fast Fire sight. Please let me know if you can think of another manufacturer that makes SW revolver mounts (only interested in those that replace the rear sight).

Here are the links, with pictures, to the mounts I found online:

Trijicon, Inc. : Brilliant Aiming Solutions

Pride Fowler SOPS-Compact Open Mount

JPoint Mount for S&W Revolver Sight Base

Here's a pic of how it would look once mounted:

 

[scooter123]

I have the J Point reflex mounted on my 610 using the JP Rifles base. Flat out I love it, the POI is within 1 inch of the POA from 25 feet all the way out to 125 feet. Bascially, all I have to do to hit the 10 ring is put the dot on the bullseye and hold the gun steady while I pull the trigger, something that I personaly find quite challenging beyond 25 yards. I may have to start lifting weights again, with the 6 1/2 inch barrel the 610 is a bit of a load. I also have plans on purchasing 3 more J Points when the funds permit because I have 3 more S&W's that are ready for them. I have a bit more than 300 rounds downrange with the 610 and the zero hasn't budged one bit since I sighted it in.

Now, if you haven't already purchased the Burris Fastfire, you might want to consider the J Point. Yeah, it is about 100 bucks more. However, the combination sits low on the gun and I think it's well worth the additional cost when compared to a rail mounted reflex. A large barrel offset can make the path of the bullet converge in relation to the sight and this can make the combination VERY range dependent. See my PS, I've been there done that.

BTW, the reflex sight in the picture that you posted is identical to the J Point. I believe that one is the Trijicon that was marketed by them a year or two ago. If it's the current Burris Fastfire, it will attach directly to the J Point mount because today J Point is handling the exact same sight, the only difference is the "badgeing" on the sight. The tipoff is the rear sight notch molded into the case, it's the only reflex that I have found with this feature and it can be a real aid at getting the dot within view when you raise the gun to eye level. I use that notch to "guide me in" as I bring the 610 to aim.

BTW, if you get the J point mount it will ship with the 1 degree spacer and I can tell you from experince that you won't need it. Mount the sight directly without using that spacer and you'll save the time of having to remove it when you find it isn't needed.

PS, currently I have a Sightmark reflex rail mounted on my 617 and I've learned a bit with that setup. With the 617 sighted in at 100 feet, the convergnce due to the offset from the barrel causes the 617 to shoot nearly 4 inches low at 25 feet. Since the 22LR won't ever shoot as flat as the 40 S&W I shoot in my 610 I don't expect that mounting a J Point will completely solve that issue, however it does sit low enough on the gun that it will probably cut the deviation in half. Then I'll just have to put in the time to determine the optimum sighting distance for the 617 with a J Point mounted.

 

[H Richard]

I had purchased a Burris Fast Fire to put on a bullseye gun. Are you aware there is no dot brightness control on the Burris? It has a sensor that automatically adjusts the brightness of the dot to fit the available light. I had a horrible experience. Indoors it was way too dim and couldn't see the dot at all. But, outdoors was way too bright and it overpowered the target and "starred" out. For me was unuseable. No experience with J Point, but would be interested in anyone's experience with it.

 

[1aafan]

Have both, different mount holes...

 

[KMB]

Have both, different mount holes...

Which sights do you mean?

 

[scooter123]

The J point also uses automatic brightness leveling for varying light levels with only 4 stages of illumination. However, I haven't had any problems with seeing the dot or having it "star out", so it seems that a bit more care was taken when the brightness trim levels were chosen. About the only complaint I can make about the J Point is that the dot is a bit fuzzy. However, since it's perfectly usable for the task, it really doesn't bother me.

 

[1aafan]

have jpoint and fast fire to clarify...

 

[KMB]

Appreciate everyone's input so far. Keep'em coming, guys!

 

[Mr. Happy]

Anything change in 1.33 years?

Anybody now make a S&W revolver/Burris Fastfire II plate, like the Ruger Mk II plate?

Anybody laid it out in a blueprint (I'm over 55) for a gunsmith?

 

[Calliope]

Trijicon doesn't make an RMR mount for S&W revolvers.

Does someone else?

RMR's are not compatible with any of the other red dot mounts without an adapter. I'm hoping to get one for my Freedom Arms model 97, (F/A makes their own mounts for the RMR's and Docters)

 

[H Richard]

I thought Burris sold base plates to fit a weaver mount which can be put on a S&W. Would assume J point does also.

 

[Black_Talon]

John Allchin makes a great low-profile mount for the C-More STS (and others with the same mounting hole pattern). I use it for mounting Docter Dots on a couple of my Model 14s.

He emailed me a few weeks ago and said that he'd have a Burris FastFire version of his mount available "in a few weeks".

Here's a link to his current offering:

NEW S&W Mini STS Scope Mount (Also fits JP Optima 2000, Leopold, SIG, & Most Other Small Dot Scopes) - Allchin Gun Parts

 

[vic3620]

scope mounts

google jack weigan combat mounts.
they make mounts for S&W revolvers. I have a burris fastfireII on my
S&W 500 x frame

vic 3620

 

[scooter123]

JP Rifles offers an adaptor plate for the Doctor sight that fits their mount, so any sight that shares the same mount as the Doctor will fit using this adaptor.

 

[Calliope]

I thought Burris sold base plates to fit a weaver mount which can be put on a S&W. Would assume J point does also.

Yeah, all the red dots have weaver or picatinny mounts, but we were discussing the low profile custom mounts.

 

[Mr. Happy]

Great news about a Burris FastFire version! I'll buy one!

John Allchin makes a great low-profile mount for the C-More STS (and others with the same mounting hole pattern). I use it for mounting Docter Dots on a couple of my Model 14s.

He emailed me a few weeks ago and said that he'd have a Burris FastFire version of his mount available "in a few weeks".

Here's a link to his current offering:

NEW S&W Mini STS Scope Mount (Also fits JP Optima 2000, Leopold, SIG, & Most Other Small Dot Scopes) - Allchin Gun Parts

 

[KMB]

John Allchin makes a great low-profile mount for the C-More STS (and others with the same mounting hole pattern). I use it for mounting Docter Dots on a couple of my Model 14s.

He emailed me a few weeks ago and said that he'd have a Burris FastFire version of his mount available "in a few weeks".

Here's a link to his current offering:

NEW S&W Mini STS Scope Mount (Also fits JP Optima 2000, Leopold, SIG, & Most Other Small Dot Scopes) - Allchin Gun Parts

Thanks for the link, Black Talon. I like this set up. Will have to try it out after I complete my current AK project.

 

[bigi]

NEW Look here: STS C-More Scope Mounts - Allchin Gun Parts
I got 2 for my S&W 617 and 686 with my Burris fastfire II. Nice and clean.
also look here: http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1980-present/198254-686-picture-thread-4.html

 

[Mr. Happy]

The first production run made the Burris Fastfire II look like it was hanging ten (1st photo). Allchin corrected that by making the mount a bit longer (2nd photo).

But threading in the mounting holes wouldn't catch the Burris-provided screws unless I took off the rubberized 0.040" Burris mounting plate . It seems to make a solid-enough seal, though.

It's the best, lowest mounting system for the Burris Fastfire II on my S&W 686 I could find.

 

[Hunting Red]

I'm thinking about getting a Burris II. There coming out with a Burris III that has a adjustable brightness and 3 dot or 8 dot this summer. I bought the wiegan mount for it. I can order direct and get a good deal. I may wait for the Burris III.