Speedloader vs NY Reload Experiment

[wadcutter1]

Besides my gun with 16 rounds weighs as much as a model 36 with 5 rounds.

No doubt that a Glock packs for a punch in a compact package, which is why I own a couple, but they sure do lack the personality.

Unless I am mistaken, speedloaders were not a common think back in the day when Jim Cirillo recommended the NYC.

Yes, I recall reading that many NY cops stuck with the dump pouch until the end.

In 2012 there were still 300 NYPD cops carrying the Model 10. Not sure what that number is now. Funny that a sidearm carried by cops in the Bronx in the 70's and in raids on crack houses in the 90's, is now considered inadequate by some for a trip to the grocery store.

 

[Arik]

No doubt that a Glock packs for a punch in a compact package, which is why I own a couple, but they sure do lack the personality.



Yes, I recall reading that many NY cops stuck with the dump pouch until the end.

In 2012 there were still 300 NYPD cops carrying the Model 10. Not sure what that number is now. Funny that a sidearm carried by cops in the Bronx in the 70's and in raids on crack houses in the 90's, is now considered inadequate by some for a trip to the grocery store.

Maybe but I thought the topic was which is faster to use. Besides personality doesn't do anything for self defense

 

[shotgun693]

I went to some fairly advanced shooting schools my last decade or so as a Cop. One of the things they taught and I practice is to reload, or top off, your gun anytime there's a break in the action. We even did it during qualification. You never shot a gun dry if it could be prevented. With a Hi-Cap mag you removed the partially fired mag, replaced it with a full one and stuck the partially fired one back in the mag pouch. This is the big reason I remove the magazine safety disconnector.

 

[wadcutter1]

I went to some fairly advanced shooting schools my last decade or so as a Cop. One of the things they taught and I practice is to reload, or top off, your gun anytime there's a break in the action. We even did it during qualification. You never shot a gun dry if it could be prevented. With a Hi-Cap mag you removed the partially fired mag, replaced it with a full one and stuck the partially fired one back in the mag pouch. This is the big reason I remove the magazine safety disconnector.

So in the revolver days, would the dump pouch be considered superior to a speedloader in this regard? Would cops carry both?

 

[shotgun693]

I carried two speedloaders. If I shot a couple of rounds and the shooting stopped I'd reload to have a full cylinder then put the loaded rounds out of the revolver in my back pocket in case I needed them later.
The object was to have a fully loaded gun when needed.

 

[Inusuit]

Just for comparison, I've seen a video of Jerry Miculek putting six shots on target, reloading with a speed loader, then six more shots on target. Right at three seconds. Not a self defense situation, but still.

 

[haywood]

I carry a NY reload, speed loaders, and speed strips.

 

[wadcutter1]

Just for comparison, I've seen a video of Jerry Miculek putting six shots on target, reloading with a speed loader, then six more shots on target. Right at three seconds. Not a self defense situation, but still.

I wouldn't doubt that Jerry could out perform me if he had a flintlock and I had a minigun.

 

[jonh1373]

I went to some fairly advanced shooting schools my last decade or so as a Cop. One of the things they taught and I practice is to reload, or top off, your gun anytime there's a break in the action. We even did it during qualification. You never shot a gun dry if it could be prevented. With a Hi-Cap mag you removed the partially fired mag, replaced it with a full one and stuck the partially fired one back in the mag pouch. This is the big reason I remove the magazine safety disconnector.

A little difference in training, I was taught to do a tactical reload by removing the partial mag, replacing it with a full mag and then place the partial mag in a pocket instead of back in the mag carrier so it was not confused with any full mag in the mag carrier. Both good tactical decisions.

 

[TTSH]

I wouldn't doubt that Jerry could out perform me if he had a flintlock and I had a minigun.

Quoted for truth! I feel the same here!

 

[njdet354]

Speedloader vs NY reload

When I carried a Model 10 on duty, I carried speedloaders and my swivel holster had 12 loops on it. This way I could do a tactical reload from the loops and did not have to use a speedloader unless I need to reload a full six rounds. This didn't waste unfired rounds. I also carried my 36 or 640 on my ankle. In case the 10 went down or got taken away from me. The 36 or 640 could also be loaded from the loops.

 

[wadcutter1]

Yes njdet that sounds like the ideal system for carrying revolver reloads.

 

[jonh1373]

I have been hit by lightening three times, once while I was on the ground, once when I was flying a small airplane in bad weather and once while driving a car in bad weather.

Several years ago Colt came out with a new version of their gatling gun. May I suggest you get one for each hip AND an ammo bearer for extra ammunition! With your luck if the SHTF I believe you would be near by.

 

[wadcutter1]

I repeated the experiment today with a pair of model 64's. The results were about the same: 17 second average for NY reload vs 23 second average for speed loader.

30' targets shown. I was surprised how little difference there was in practical accuracy between the 4" and 2" model 64's.

Again, I look at this as an interesting exercise. I do realize that my times to shoot 12 rounds with my Glock 23 or Beretta 92 would be lower.