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I've got a 38 no dash Bodyguard from around 1958. It's finish is not pristine so I'm using it as my carry gun.

It's trigger pull is very hard and I'd like to lighten it up.

Can anyone recommend a spring kit that will make the trigger as light as possible but still make it totally reliable as a carry gun?

Thanks
 
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I've got a 38 no dash Bodyguard from around 1958. It's finish is not pristine so I'm using it as my carry gun.

It's trigger pull is very hard and I'd like to lighten it up.

Can anyone recommend a spring kit that will make the trigger as light as possible but still make it totally reliable as a carry gun?

Thanks

No offense to anybody, but I cannot for the life of me understand why somebody at a spring company (you know who you are!) thinks he understands the engineering of a handgun better than the Factory.

If you want to play with a target gun, no problem screwing around with aftermarket springs...but for a carry gun, I wouldn't have anything but Factory springs in my gun, no clipped rebound springs, no re-bent mainsprings, nada!

Just my two cents...

Tim
 
No feelings hurt, but I do differ with Tim. Especially nowadays, much of what factories do is lawyer-driven, not shooter-driven or gun-expert-driven. I know; I'm a lawyer. Even back in 1958, springs were heavier than need be, to compensate for the occasional burr, tolerance boo-boo or the like. The revolvers I've carried have always had some work done on them to at least smooth, and usually to lighten the trigger pull. I most often use Wolff reduced power mainsprings and rebound slide springs in mine. I do strongly recommend that some stoning be done when the springs are replaced, not only to make the trigger pull that much better, but also because smooth parts require less spring power to move against each other than do rough ones. If you don't feel competent to do that yourself, find a good gunsmith who can do it. And make darn sure that you've not lightened it enough to cause a light strike with your carry ammo. You're better off with a DA pull that may be a little heavier than you'd like than you will be with one that goes "click" when you need it to go "bang." I think that's Tim's concern, and it is a valid one.
 
The trigger pull on this old girl is horrendous. If it were anywhere near what my other stock jframes are, I wouldn't consider it, but it's not.

I'm not wanting to do this just because I want to 'trick out' the gun, I just want to make it like my other stock j's are..
 
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I've got a 38 no dash Bodyguard from around 1958. It's finish is not pristine so I'm using it as my carry gun.

It's trigger pull is very hard and I'd like to lighten it up.

Can anyone recommend a spring kit that will make the trigger as light as possible but still make it totally reliable as a carry gun?

Thanks
"Totally reliable" and "lighter springs" are incompatible terms. However, a good trigger job will make it much smoother and your finger will BELIEVE it is lighter.
 
Good points, all.

I guess the the best route to take is the THOROUGHLY test your gun after doing any modifications to it, and do the testing with the ammo you intend to use.

BTW, as suggested, a quality action job might not be a bad idea, and you'd be surprised at the difference in trigger pull after installing a wide, smooth trigger--I think they are available for the J frames

Good luck.

Tim
 
The difference in mainspring weight between stock at 8½ pounds and Wolff's reduced power spring at 8 pounds doesn't give you much lower pull weight. You can reduce the rebound slide spring from the stock 18 pounds to 15 pounds without compromising reliability on a J-frame (still, I'd check 100 rounds for zero FTF before carrying it).

However, I suspect that there is something else amiss. No old J-frame that I have tested had a pull that was very much higher than a modern gun. Is the action clean and properly lubricated? Examine all the contact points to assure that there are no burrs or bad roughness. Keep in mind that the contacting parts do not have to be perfectly smooth to work correctly. I say this because people who do not know it sometimes polish away too much metal, cutting thorough the hardened surface layer. I have seen bent hammer and trigger axles that will increase pull a lot (before they break).


Buck
 
If the correct approach is taken, there is no reason why a lighter trigger pull cannot be combined with 100% reliable ignition. The simple fact is the Performance Center has been offering this type of work for many years. In addition, when the revolver was the standard issue firearm for the Police nearly every one was treated to an Action Job consisting of 2 coils cut from the rebound spring and the strain screw filed down by 0.005 to 0.010 inch.

The key is to test as you go and do your testing with the most recalcitrant primers on the market. According to the Internet, that is currently CCI primers. So, get yourself a few boxes of Blaser Brass and find the point at which the gun just starts to misfire and then stiffen up the mainspring just a bit.

Please note, what I am posting is based on my experience with the K, L, and N Frames. I've never actually done any tuning on the J frames so my suggestions for this particular lockwork are based on my experience as a Mechanical Engineer.

Tweaking the mainspring tension is something that is easy to do on the K, L, N, and X frames because they all feature a strain screw that can be used to adjust the tension. Currently I've been experimenting with hand made shims that can be placed under the head of the strain screw so that I can adjust the strain screw in fixed increments as fine as 0.001 inch and have that strain screw fully tightened. BTW, using the factory mainspring currently both the 610 and 620 are 100% reliable with 0.010 shim shooting Blaser Brass, next step is to test with a 0.012 shim.

Unfortunately, the J frames use a coil mainspring so a different approach would be required, either adding a shim under the seated end of the mainspring to set the final tension or working with a pair of mainsprings and stair stepping them down in length by alternating springs. Once you find the point where it's short enough to cause unreliable ignition with a hard primer, you go back to the previous, slightly longer spring.

I'll also note that coil springs will shorten slightly due to cycling. Generally a coil spring will shorten by a fairly small fixed amount during the initial cycling and then "set" to a stable length which it will hold until it finally fails. As for why this happens, spring steel will work harden a bit from it's initial state and once it's achieved the maximum work hardened state possible with the alloy, it will stay at that hardness for life. The only exception is when the steel is continually cycled beyond it's Fatigue limit, a specific property of steel alloys. Since I rather doubt that the mainsprings on these revolvers are actually worked above the Fatigue limit, I don't think that comes into play. If possible, I would suggest starting with a pair of well used mainsprings because they'll already have taken their "set".

If you start with new mainsprings, make sure that you test fire the gun frequently for reliablity for at least the first 6 months. It would also be a good idea to have a fresh spare on hand that you can grind to length once you've determined how much the mainspring "sets" with use. I'll also note that any grinding done to shorten the mainspring be done "cold", ideally with a diamond tool. Small diamond burrs that fit a Dremel are availible from tool supply sources such as MSC Industrial Supply or Production Tool Supply and they work quickly on hard steels without generating much heat. Heat the end your working on until it's blue and you'll have annealed that end of the spring and the "set" will be much larger than with a "cold" ground spring. Note, the process here is to determine the minimum reliable length, make note of that length, then go back 6 to 12 months later and determine how much the spring has "set". Then take a fresh spring and cold grind it to the initial reliable length PLUS the amount of "set".

Once you find the minimum tension that will provide 100% reliable ignition, you can then address the rebound spring. However, I've found that the rebound spring doesn't have as great an effect on the double action trigger pull as one might expect. The difference in DA pull with a 12 lbs. rebound spring and a 14 lbs. rebound spring is neglibable, about 1/2 lbs. at best. Basically the trigger bar that operates on the rebound slide has a large mechanical advantage over the rebound slide, so a 2 lbs. change in the rebound spring will have a much lower effect on the DA triggger pull change. The good news hear is that the rebound slide has no effect at all on ignition. However it will effect how quicly the trigger returns in rapid fire and a very light rebound spring may mismatch enough with a heavy mainspring that the trigger won't return fully. When that happens, the lockwork will completelly seize up until you push the trigger fully forward.

However, the rebound spring will have a very noticable effect on the Single Action trigger pull. My experience has shown the factory 16 lbs. rebound spring will produce a SA pull of 4 lbs., a 14 lbs. rebound spring will produce a SA pull just a hair over 3 lbs., a 12 lbs. rebound spring will produce a SA pull of about 1 3/4 lbs. I've also found that a 12 lbs. rebound spring will cause the action to "tie up" on some guns during live fire when combined with a full power mainspring. Since 3 lbs. is the SA trigger pull I feel most comfortable with, the 14 lbs. spring is my "go to" rebound spring, it's proven to be 100% reliable for trigger return, has a good quick return, and put's the SA trigger at my personal sweet spot.

Now, one tip pertaining to the rebound slide assembly that I found a bit by accident when working on my 620 and 610 side by side. That is that the N frames use a small rod on the inside of the rebound spring that acts as a trigger stop. However, that stop rod also limits how much the rebound spring can "buckle" inside the bore in the rebound slide. Because of this I noticed that the 610 was much smoother when cycling the rebound slide by pulling the trigger with the hammer out of the gun than my 620, despite the bores of both rebound slides having been fully polished. Next time Brownell's has the stop rods in stock I plan on adding them to all of my K and L frames. Is it really necessary, not at all, however on a slow DA stroke my 610 is perfectly smooth from start to finish and I can feel just a hint of coil bind on the guns that don't have this stop rod. BTW, orientation of this rod is critical, get it in backwards and the lockwork will tie up with the gun held in certain positions. If that happens, flip it end for end.

Now for detail work on the gun. One area I would pay a lot of attention to is the mainspring strut. I would suggest stoning the edges that contact the mainspring with a 1200 grit stone until those edgest are perfectly smooth. However, be careful about removing the minimum amount of material while doing this. Reducing the size of the stut will permit the spring to buckle a bit more and if it buckles too much friction between the strut and the spring will increase, leading to a "scratchy" trigger pull. All you want to do is knock down any burrs, it's a case where less is best.

Rebound slide. Chamfer the sharp corner that rides against the inside lower edged in the recess of the frame, this will reduce "corner drag", which is actually that sharp corner trying to cut into the frame. Stone the frame when the rebound slide runs just enough to remove any high spots in the frame but don't try and make it glass smooth. The slight depressions left will act as a resevior for lube and keep the rebound slide running smooth. Stone the surfaces of the rebound slide that rub on the frame to the point where about 50-60% of these areas are fresh metal. Interior bore of the rebound slide should also be polished, I found that bamboo skewers of the correct diameter can be chucked up in a Dremel and allow this to be done fairly quickly with polishing compound, however it requires a light touch and if you see smoke it's time for a new piece of skewer and a bit slower RPM's on the Dremel.

Other recomended touches are a small chamfer on the DA sear on the hammer where if flips free of the trigger, on the late MIM guns this is a standard feature. You can also polish the DA sear surface on the trigger, however on a well used gun this will already have been done by simple firing.

Finally, all stoning should be in the direction of travel. It's also an excellent idea to observe the recess in the frame for any drag marks left by the hammer. If you see hammer drag, you'll need to correct this by adding a shim on the hammer stud to replace material that's been worn off the raised boss. Then it's a simple matter of putting some very light bits of lube in place for the hammer, rebound slide, and trigger pivot and closing everything up.
 
No offense to anybody, but I cannot for the life of me understand why somebody at a spring company (you know who you are!) thinks he understands the engineering of a handgun better than the Factory.

Could it be that the factory is putting springs in that will not only be lawyer proof, but fire the hardest primer known to man.
If the springs in a pistol will fire several hundred rounds, without fail, during competition, they ought to be reliable enough to carry around in a holster. I have seen more than one person enter a IPSC match (production) with their factory stock carry gun, and the thing not make it through the entire match without one or more malfunctions.

There is nothing wrong with tweaking springs, as long as one uses a little common sense. But if strict factory makes you happy, then that is what you should carry.
 
The factory mainsprings are designed to handle:

1) hard primers
2) spring age wear (loss of tension)
3) poor maintenance of the weapon

and still fire.

In every type of gun I have tuned (both revos and autos) the factory spring is about 25% stronger than the reduced power springs generally available. The RP springs BY NO MEANS are reliable with all ammo. I had a 66 with RP springs that I had shot many thousands of rounds through without a misfire... I bought a case of UMC ammo and started having tons of misfires. The ammo shot fine with the spring force dialed up about 10% from the RP level (which was still about 10 - 15% less than stock spring force). How could I claim the ammo was "defective"? It fired in a stock setup, would not with RP springs.
 
Quite a few yearas ago, I had my wife's M-19, 2-1/2 revolver tuned by Charlie Prest of RPM in Phoenix. He did a wonderful job and the gun cycles as smooth as silk. However, the gun would occasionally misfire in double action mode. I checked the mainspring and found It was a Wolff reduced power. I pointed this out to a buddy at work and he said the best cure for this was to do the following:
a) Find a spent small pistol primer, remove the anvil and using a flat surface punch, flatten the primer indentation from the inside of the primer.
b) Remove the tension screw and place the spent primer over the end of the screw.
c) Replace the screw and tighten it all the way in.

I did that and the gun is still as smooth as when reworked and has worked reliably for at least 15 years. No ignition failures whatsoever.
Regards,
 
The primer cap trick is maybe the oldest one used to increase spring force. I have never been a fan because the thing can fall out too easily. I have a lot of guns and would never want to have to remember which one had it when cleaning. I just bend the spring a touch if it is misfiring. That can't fall out when I go to clean the gun.....
 

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