State Reciprocity Of Concealed Carry

[PA Reb]

I was just looking at a list of what states honor concealed carry permits from other states ( http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USReciprocity.pdf ) and it led me to the following question. Does anyone here know how a state such as my home state of PA. (or any other for that matter) comes up with the list of other states whose permits they will accept or reject? Don't "most" states have pretty much the same concealed laws as others?

 

[OKFC05]

Don't "most" states have pretty much the same concealed laws as others?

No, not even almost the same.
If you read the actual state sites using the links from the site you referenced, you'll see there is a huge variation. Nevada, for example, lets their LEO committee vote on reciprocal states with no apparent reason for the choices (OK meets all their stated requirements, yet they won't recognize us). My home state of OK is one of the baker's dozen with universal recognition. In Alaska, you don't need a license. Ironically, the ones with the least restrictive gun laws have the fewest problems.

 

[NCW Ray]

Here's the Washington State's Attorney General webpage that shows which states the State of Washington has Concealed Weapon Reciprocity, also shows the states that Washington State does not have Reciprocity with and the reason why.

It looks like we have no Reciprocity with your state because "No mandatory fingerprint-based criminal background check. Mandatory mental health background check does not appear to meet WA requirement."

 

[ladder13]

Don't "most" states have pretty much the same concealed laws as others?

Oh NO! If only it were true, Arizona style that is. For instance, don't even think about bringing your handguns into NY or NJ. That will be a painfull and expensive experience.

 

[oldman45]

Many states object to the little or no training required by another state.

Some states do not like honoring permits from states not doing a background check.

Then some states have an anti gun legislature that will not allow a law that honors other states.

For many yrs, LA was not honored by AR, even though they are neighboring states. Their legislature did not like the requirements for a permit in LA. Oddly enough, we had and still have the tougher requirements. Just a few years ago, they began honoring LA permits.

Then some states are not going to honor any state other than their own.

 

[PDL]

Then you get the real strange states with reciprocity laws that will honor a certain states 'residents' permits. while at the same time not honoring that state's 'non-resident' permits. Even though the requirements are exactly the same for both.

 

[681ismyfavorite]

many times the state's attorney general has to enter into an agreement with another state's attorney general for reciprocity to be put on the books, then there are states that will honor any oher states permit as long as the holder is a resident of that state.....then there are some states that do no honor non-resident permits......its a patch work on the map but many pro constitutional rights states are making the patchwork seamless.

 

[celticfisherman]

This is a case where the Constitution is simply ignored. Interstate commerce covers this. I mean if it covers marriage then IT covers this. Plus a state cannot remove a right tht you hold under the Constitution. THe only carry permit needed should be the 2nd Amendment.

Which is why I publicly all the time state that anyone living in those areas who are unfriendly to people with guns (except illegals and criminals) such as CA, DC, IL, NY, and etc SHOULD FRIGGIN LEAVE!!! If you all left it would speak volumes.

 

[zoom6zoom]

Virginia does not have reciprocity with some because they require that permits need to be able to be verified 24/7.

 

[681ismyfavorite]

Virginia does not have reciprocity with some because they require that permits need to be able to be verified 24/7.

and rightly so, as with a driver's license......

 

[PA Reb]

Maine Concealed Carry Permit Holders

Thanks all - things are perfectly clear now. I'm sure glad now I didn't get stopped while I was driving to the north-east this past spring !

I need to speak with someone here from Maine. I need to ask a few questions about concealed carry permits up there before I apply for one. Instead of clogging this forum up, please e-mail me at [email protected].

 

[redlevel]

This is a case where the Constitution is simply ignored. Interstate commerce covers this. I mean if it covers marriage then IT covers this.

I take it you don't believe in Federalism. The federal government doesn't have any business meddling in my state's carry laws or marriage laws. If Massachusetts wants to legalize gay marriage I don't care. If they want to deny their citizens the right to carry, I hate it, but don't suggest that Georgia's carry laws should be compromised to meet the whims of those who live in more "progressive" states. Members right here on this forum have suggested that some states' carry laws are "too lax," and that there needs to be a national standard. I say Baloney. Without a doubt, any "national reciprocity" plan would compromise the states that have the least restrictive laws now. It would take only one last-minute amendment to add on all sorts of restrictive language. Leave us alone in Georgia.

 

[Noah Vaile]

The 2d Amendment should trump every state's laws.

 

[PDL]

I take it you don't believe in Federalism. The federal government doesn't have any business meddling in my state's carry laws or marriage laws. If Massachusetts wants to legalize gay marriage I don't care. If they want to deny their citizens the right to carry, I hate it, but don't suggest that Georgia's carry laws should be compromised to meet the whims of those who live in more "progressive" states. Members right here on this forum have suggested that some states' carry laws are "too lax," and that there needs to be a national standard. I say Baloney. Without a doubt, any "national reciprocity" plan would compromise the states that have the least restrictive laws now. It would take only one last-minute amendment to add on all sorts of restrictive language. Leave us alone in Georgia.

Actually there is a Federal statute that does superseed all state laws on Keeping and Bearing arms. It's commonly known as the 2nd amendment.

The unfortunate thing is there has been very little recognition of that from either the Federal or State govenments.
Even the 2 Supreme court decisions we've had didn't actually agree with the 2nd. They refused to admit that any laws infringing on the right are unconstitutional. They suggested there was some part way right where the states could make 'reasonable' gun laws. Permits, tests, qualifications etc. were never contemplated when the 2nd was written. And they shouldn't be supported now.

I've also disagreed with members here about the 'lax' training standards etc. I don't care if someone else can hit a target or not. As long as I can.

 

[redlevel]

They refused to admit that any laws infringing on the right are unconstitutional. They suggested there was some part way right where the states could make 'reasonable' gun laws.

So the law that makes it illegal for a 15 year old HS sophomore to take a Glop fawty to school is unconstitutional? That sounds like a right reasonable restriction to me. How about the law that denies someone convicted of a violent felony the right to purchase a firearm?

There are no absolute rights guaranteed by the BofR, and anyone who thinks there are needs to take a few History and PoliSci classes. The people who wrote the Constitution, and especially the BofR, were highly influenced by a man named John Locke and his Social Contract theory. Absolute rights are impossible in an orderly society, and the Founders knew it. Absolute rights are a feature of anarchy, not representative government.

 

[Out West]

Here's the Washington State's Attorney General webpage that shows which states the State of Washington has Concealed Weapon Reciprocity, also shows the states that Washington State does not have Reciprocity with and the reason why.

It looks like we have no Reciprocity with your state because "No mandatory fingerprint-based criminal background check. Mandatory mental health background check does not appear to meet WA requirement."

Interesting. According to the state of Washington, Texas allows under 21 year of age honorably discharged veterans to obtain a permit. Hard for me to understand why this would raise an objection.

Out
West

 

[PA Reb]

So the law that makes it illegal for a 15 year old HS sophomore to take a Glop fawty to school is unconstitutional? That sounds like a right reasonable restriction to me. How about the law that denies someone convicted of a violent felony the right to purchase a firearm?

There are no absolute rights guaranteed by the BofR, and anyone who thinks there are needs to take a few History and PoliSci classes. The people who wrote the Constitution, and especially the BofR, were highly influenced by a man named John Locke and his Social Contract theory. Absolute rights are impossible in an orderly society, and the Founders knew it. Absolute rights are a feature of anarchy, not representative government.

Wow, this has gone way beyond where I thought it ever would.

You're absolutely correct when you say "Absolute rights are impossible in an orderly society, and the Founders knew it. Absolute rights are a feature of anarchy, not representative government." The 2nd Ammendment cannot be absolute (nothing but God's law is absolute) but it should be the bible used as states create their laws pertaining to arms. States should work together to pass laws they all accept and our legally obtained concealed carry permits should be good anywhere we travel in the U.S. The 2nd Ammendment, though not "absolute", is what each and every state should adhere to and not the jumbled mess they've created.

 

[PDL]

So the law that makes it illegal for a 15 year old HS sophomore to take a Glop fawty to school is unconstitutional? That sounds like a right reasonable restriction to me. How about the law that denies someone convicted of a violent felony the right to purchase a firearm?

There are no absolute rights guaranteed by the BofR, and anyone who thinks there are needs to take a few History and PoliSci classes. The people who wrote the Constitution, and especially the BofR, were highly influenced by a man named John Locke and his Social Contract theory. Absolute rights are impossible in an orderly society, and the Founders knew it. Absolute rights are a feature of anarchy, not representative government.

sir,
I was speaking of adult citizens, not 5 year olds or 15 year olds.

 

[redlevel]

sir,
I was speaking of adult citizens, not 5 year olds or 15 year olds.

Then you indeed do believe in reasonable restrictions.

How about the convicted felon?