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Reloaded 500 rounds of 45 ACP tonight and was filling the boxes and noticed this.

As a bulk load night the brass was not sorted, but I somehow ended up with 50 rounds that all have the same head stamp, and they are all Midway.

IIRC, I think Midway stopped selling their stamped brass around 1993-4, so these would be a minimum of 30 years old, and I have no idea of how many times they have been reloaded. As an engineer and computer scientist, statistically some are from the 80's when my Dad started reloading :)
 

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I have some Midway 10mm Auto but they haven't been used a lot.
 
I have Remington .44 Magnum brass that I've been reloading with for about 40 years. I bought 6 boxes of empty brass, 50 rounds per box, mostly loading with midrange loads using Unique powder and either the Lyman 429421 or 429348 cast boolit.

Many Schuetzen rifle shooters, primarily those that breech seat the bullets in the chamber throats of their falling block action rifles, reload a single case over and over again.
 
Case life is dependent on many things. As long as the case has enough strength to hold the bullet securely and the primer isn't falling out, you are good. 45 Auto cases usually last a long time so long as you're shooting them in guns with chambers that are in spec. Those Midway cases should be fine and should give you a lot more reloads. I have some of their 44 Magnum cases that I have been loading for 35 years and they show no sign of giving up the ghost yet.
 
There are several factors:

1) pressure of the loads fired in the cases.

Cases stretch more with high pressure loads than they do with low pressure loads. Higher pressure aggravates some of the other factors.

2) Headspace.

The case is driven forward in the chamber by the firing pin, and then case then expands in the chamber and adheres before the case is driven back against the bolt face. That small distance results in the case stretching lengthwise.

3) Cases also stretch radially to adhere to the case, at least forward of the case web where the case adheres to the chamber.

4) How the case is sized.

If you use a small base to resize the case back to it's original dimensions the brass is worked a lot more than one that if full length resized, or one that is just neck sized.

5) The chamber makes a difference.

If it's cut with a new reamer it's dimensions will be on the loose side of the SAAMI or CIP tolerance. If the reamer is old and worn the chamber will be on the tight side of tolerance. Cases fired in that chamber cut with a brand new reamer will be stretched and worked more than in the chamber cut with the old reamer.

6) Some chambers are loose by design.

The .45 Colt for example is a black powder era cartridge. In that era the usual practice was to design the case with a slight taper in the body and give it a slight bottle neck. The bottle neck helped the case seal against the chamber quicker to minimize the gas coming back into the chamber and the action to reduce fouling, while the slight body taper ensured that as soon as the extractor moved the case aft the whole case came out of contact with the chamber wall. Those features along with a wide and thick rim helped ensure positive extraction from black powder fouled chambers. The .44-40, .38-40, .32-20 and .25-20 are all examples of smaller cartridges designed for lever action rifles that could do double duty in a revolver that employed all those features.

The .45 Colt was different. It was designed with no bottle neck and parallel case walls so that it could hold a maximum amount of powder. It also had a small diameter rim as the rim was only needed for head space purposes as the Colt 1873 SAA used an ejector rod, and a smaller rim meant a smaller cylinder diameter could be used.

Still, Colt hedged it's ejection bets and tapered the chamber by .007" from mouth to base. But that meant the .45 Colt case body had to stretch radially out to the chamber wall, around .0035" at mid body, on top of the regular clearance.

It isn't a big deal with black powder pressures around 17,000 psi, but when you start bumping them up to 21,000 psi tier 2 loads or 32,000 psi tier 3 loads, case life gets short. Maybe 5 reloads at 32,000 psi before you get spider cracks in the sides of the case.

7) case design also matters.

Cases with long tapered bodies are shorter lived than cases with sharper shoulders. The .22 Hornet is a good example. It was developed as a smokeless powder wildcat from the black powder era .22 WCF, using the above mentioned tapered body and mild bottle neck techniques to ensure reliable extraction.

However, case life with the .22 Hornet is poor, specially when loaded to higher pressure. One of the major advantages of blowing the case walls out and the shoulder to a sharper angle in the one of the several .22 K-Hornet chambers is that in addition to another 150 fps from greater powder capacity, you get much better case life as you can effectively headspace it on the shoulder and minimally size the case.

8) Belling and crimping
In straight wall cases, how much the case is belled and crimped has an enormous impact on how much the brass is worked at the case mouth and how long it will last until it cracks.


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So pistol wise at one end you have cases like the .45 Colt and .22 Hornet and on the other end you have cases that last basically forever like the .45 ACP and 9mm Luger.

Both the .45 ACP and 9mm Luger serve just fine until the case mouth cracks. The .45 ACP and 9mm Luger both headspace on the case mouth. If you use FMJ or other jacketed bullets that don't require the case mouth to be belled, the brass is worked very little.

The .45 ACP in particular when fired in a snug match chamber just goes and goes and goes. I'll reload them until the mouth finally cracks, then shoot that round anyway before pitching the case into the recycle bucket. I don't bother sorting and counting but the number of reloads per case is probably well north of 30 with jacketed bullet lower pressure target loads.
 
My batches tend to stay together too. I'll inspect after cleaning and cull out any problems, but 45Auto brass can go and go and go.

I'm fairly easy on them with target loads using lighter charges of fast powers.
 
There are several factors:


Cases stretch more with high pressure loads than they do with low pressure loads. Higher pressure aggravates some of the other factors.

Straight walled pistol cases do not stretch, but shrink. To the OP: As long as you are using mild target loads, the old .45 brass should be good to go for many, many reloads.
 
I have some 45 ACP cases with 1918 headstamps in the piles of my ammo reloads!

I remember shooting up a box of the ammo, instead of the bullets having copper jackets, they had a steel jacket (My F-I-L had boxes of 38 special with steel jackets too, I never read the head stamp)

Ivan
 
I have a box of .38 Spl WIN cases that date back to the 1970's. A few have split, and were replaced. This was my second caliber to reload and this was the first box. I used to mark the box with times reloaded, but stopped doing that maybe 10 years ago. The last mark on this particular box was 20. They were all 148 gr. WC with 2.7 bullseye. I guess those must have been a good batch...
 
I bought my 1st .41 mag. revolver back in 1971, along with 4 boxes of Remington ammo. I'm still loading those cases. Most of my loads are with Unique and the Lyman #410459 SWC bullet loaded to +/-1,000 fps.
I've bought more ammo & brass thru the years, but the original bunch have stood together quite well.

WYT-P
Skyhunter
 
I have a box of .38 Spl WIN cases that date back to the 1970's. A few have split, and were replaced. This was my second caliber to reload and this was the first box. I used to mark the box with times reloaded, but stopped doing that maybe 10 years ago. The last mark on this particular box was 20. They were all 148 gr. WC with 2.7 bullseye. I guess those must have been a good batch...

I used to keep track of X reloaded on all my brass. But like you I stopped keeping track of Pistol reloads a 3 or 4 years ago. Only been reloading for pistol like 8-10 years.

I still keep track of rifle reloads because of course they stretch more and are under a lot more pressure.

I'm quite sure I've got 45 ACP, 9mm, 38 etc. Brass that's been reloaded 5, 6, 7 X or more. (not that that's a lot by guys who have been reloading pistol brass much longer LOL)

From what I've seen and understand pistol brass will have a very long life with medium to low level charges. I've had to throw out very few split cases.
 
I'm still using once-fired Federal brass from the 1980s (it was our duty ammo and I was the only reloader) picked up after police qualification. Once I see a split case, I'll start discarding the most-often reloaded of these; I haven't seen one yet. My standard loads are 13.0-13.5 grains of 2400, 16.0-16.5 grains of Lil Gun, and 6.5 grains of Unique, all behind 158 grain bullets, usually jacketed SP or HP.

Conversely, I have one 20 round box of 255 grain 45 Auto Rim standard velocity factory loads loaded in 2015 that split 2 of 20 or 25 cases on intial firing - the brass was Starline. Never happened before or since, and I routinely use Starline brass in several calibers with complete satisfaction.
 
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Straight walled pistol cases do not stretch, but shrink. To the OP: As long as you are using mild target loads, the old .45 brass should be good to go for many, many reloads.

I have had to trim 45 Colt cases that got too long after many years of reloading. Any of my reloading is done at lower pressure / velocity because I care more about accuracy than velocity. In general I use a dose of Unique under a 255 grain Keith SWC around 800 FPS.

I throw cases away when they crack. No idea how many times they were reloaded and I have only tossed maybe 5 or 6 over the past 40 years.
 
As all the above posts and experiences state; 45 ACP brass can last a very, very long time. I don't count reloadings, don't sort by headstamp and use a lot of purchased "once fired" brass. As to the "shrinking vs stretching" mentioned, I have read that shrinking semi-auto brass is fairly common. On rare occasions (out of curiosity only) I have measured some of my 45 ACP brass. Most did not shrink and did not stretch. Perhaps sizing a "larger than normal fired case" would cause a case to lengthen, but I cannot verify that...
 
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Straight walled pistol cases do not stretch, but shrink. To the OP: As long as you are using mild target loads, the old .45 brass should be good to go for many, many reloads.

I'm not talking about the brass permanently stretching length wise, but rather stretching radially, especially in tapered chambers like the .45 Colt, and long tapering chambers like the .22 Hornet. I've never had to trim either of them, but both examples develop spider cracks in the walls much quicker with higher pressure loads.
 
As all the above posts and experiences state; 45 ACP brass can last a very, very long time. I don't count reloadings, don't sort by headstamp and use a lot of purchased "once fired" brass. As to the "shrinking vs stretching" mentioned, I have read that shrinking semi-auto brass is fairly common. On rare occasions (out of curiosity only) I have measured some of my 45 ACP brass. Most did not shrink and did not stretch. Perhaps sizing a "larger than normal fired case" would cause a case to lengthen, but I cannot verify that...

I've never noted straight wall cases I have hand loaded including the .45-70, .45 Win Mag, .45 Colt, .45 ACP, .38-55, .357 Mag, .38 Special, 9m Luger, .380 ACP, .32 ACP, 7.62 Nagant, or .30 carbine to ever grow or shrink in length to any notable degree.
 
I have been reloading the same .44 mag case's since the mid 80's. I have no idea how many times they've been reloaded but it's a lot!
 
Didn't the American Rifleman run a test years ago on how many times a .45 acp and .38 special casing could be reloaded....seems like they gave up after 75 or more times with the same casing.

Randy
 
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