Substitutes for Alliant Unique

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Looking at possible replacement for Unique for 38 Spl, 38 Spl +P and 357 Mag (Mid Range) cast and jacketed loads.

Any suggestions?



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I stopped using Unique years ago. Universal is my go to powder.
 
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+1 for what Cdog said.
 
HP38 is my favorite (Hodgdon Powder for 38). (Same as W231)
Several will work, including BE, Titegroup, Universal, etc.
 
Unique doesn't generate enough pressure in the 38 to burn clean. Try Titegroup.
 
I'm also a fan of universal!


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Unique has a largely undeserved reputation as "flaming dirt".

That's an artifact of using it in light loads and it's not the best choice for standard pressure loads in the .38 Special.

Unique is however my favorite powder in short barreled .357s. I wouldn't call it a powder for just "mid range" loads either.

For example, with 9.0 grains of Unique under a Hornady 125 gr hollow point (still .4 gr under max in the Hornady second edition manual) it generates an average velocity of 1,296 fps in my 3" .357 Magnums.

I prefer 8.5 grains of Unique as the cases drop out of the chambers without sticking, yet it will still generate an average of 1,243 fps with a 125 gr XTP in a 3" barrel.

That compares to a velocity of only 1,148 fps in a 3" barrel with a near maximum load of 20.0 grains of Win 296 (20.4 gr maximum, per the Hornady sixth edition.)

Unique is also a decent powder in .38 +P loads, along with Titegroup.

However, my favorite for a .38 +P load with a 125 gr XTP is IMR 800X. 7.5 grains gives me an average of 929 fps in a 1 7/8" Model 36, 951 fps in a 2 1/8 Model 60, and 1,030 fps in a 3" Model 13 or 3" SP101 - and the SDs are normally between 10 and 20 fps - superb consistency for a short barrel.

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For .38 Special cast bullet target loads with a 158 gr LSWC, I'll use 3.2 grains of Red Dot. I've varied the charge up and down a bit over the years but I've found 3.2 gr gives me what I want in my various .38s and .357s. The load data is interesting as it has a range from 2.6 gr min to 3.9 gr max in the Hornady 3rd edition, but 3.5 gr to 5.6 gr in the 2nd edition - and the 2nd edition data in general is a bit hotter in general.

3.2 gr of Red Dot will produce 670 fps in a 1 7/8" Model 36, and 675 fps in a 2 1/8" Model 60 (I suspect the longer chamber loses as much velocity as is gained in the extra 1/4" of barrel). In a 3" Model 60 or Model 13, a 4" Model 10, and a 6" Model 19 it will produce 727 fps, 748 fps, and 794 fps respectively with SDs in velocity between 10 and 15 fps, which is again very consistent.
 
Unique has a largely undeserved reputation as "flaming dirt".

I agree. Much of the blame comes from using it with cast bullets. The dirt and smoke is from the burnt lube, not Unique.
 
Universal Clays is almost a direct replacement for Unique. Load data is ALMOST interchangeable.
 
Universal was my go to powder before the great powder shortage. Haven't seen any in years. Last week I found a store that had a whole shelf full. I picked up a bottle and plan on reacquainting myself with it.
 
Another Universal convert.
It meters way better than Unique and does everything else Unique does.
There are lots of "official" recipes out there too.
At the very high end of pressure it doesn't track exactly to Unique but as stated it's very close.
 

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I agree. Much of the blame comes from using it with cast bullets. The dirt and smoke is from the burnt lube, not Unique.

Don't get me wrong - I don't mind that people blame Unique. It just means more people switch to BE-86, Universal, etc and leaves less competition for supplies of Unique.

I find Unique is also very useful with .30-30, .38-55 and .45-70 cast bullet loads.a although you need to use a polyester wad as filler in the .38-55 and .45-70.

If I had to plan for the apocalypse and could only have a single pistol powder, it would be Unique.

Unique was introduced in 1900 and Bullseye has been around since 1898, and both are still excellent pistol powders and remain commercially successful as they fill a very useful niche. In contrast, other "old" powders like 2400 and Red Dot didn't show up until 1932 and are comparative newbies.

People make the mistake of thinking that newer must mean better, but in the 39 years I've been hand loading I've watched a lot of powders that were much newer disappear and I've watched a few that have gone from birth to death within that same time frame.
 
People make the mistake of thinking that newer must mean better, but in the 39 years I've been hand loading I've watched a lot of powders that were much newer disappear and I've watched a few that have gone from birth to death within that same time frame.
Several factors can be blamed for various powders demise over the decades besides lack of popularity.
The companies themselves are bought, sold, merge, or just die.
These days one big reason is the invention of new manufacturing processes that are cheaper.
Witness the complete upheaval of the IMR line.
Or the demise of the Universal line at ADI.
Luckily popularity saved that one and Hodgdon picked up the ball.
If Unique metered better in my Redding thrower I really would have no reason to abandon it.
 
I never got great accuracy with Universal & lead bullets, so if looking for a replacement, I like WSF, almost identical, PowerPistol or BE86, maybe AA#5.
 
I've successfully found replacement powders for all my handgun loads that formerly shot well with Unique. Once I do the same with the .32-20 (rifle), I'll be finished.

Unique has always lived up to it's name. It works well in about any handgun cartridge and has been the basis for many accurate loads. If it flowed through a measure better, I would probably have no need for other handgun cartridge powders.

As for comparing Unique with the easy-flow Universal, I must generally agree with fredj338; the accuracy level of Universal often lags behind Unique, at least with cast bullets.

This thing about Unique being dirty-burning frequently surfaces. It's beyond me how a shooter can tell any difference from one powder to another if cast bullets are used. One's no dirtier than another. They all require cleanup.
 
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