10/22
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I didn't mean to imply you couldn't, only trying to guess why you feel you're not adequately prepared to do it. It's of no matter if you aren't going to attempt it, but I would make a jig.
Success with Hammer Stud!!! - Please help with id of 44 DA 1st Model
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rhmc24
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A lot of old S&W parts on GB.
It might be worth asking if he has the stud or perhaps a scrap frame you could get it out of.
I would follow up anyone offering parts and ask.
It might be worth asking if he has the stud or perhaps a scrap frame you could get it out of.
I would follow up anyone offering parts and ask.
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Dazed&Confused
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I heard back from oldwestgunsmith - he doesn't have one so it's back to the fix-or-make option. I like the idea of bronze welding that 10/22 suggested. Proper alignment would be critical so the jig idea is a good one.
Here's an idea: Drill a flat-bottom blind hole (the size of the original hammer stud shaft) into the piece that screws into the frame. Then get some steel rod of the same diameter and insert it into the hole. Braze these two pieces together. Then cut the rod to the correct length and thread the other end to match the nut that holds on the side plate. (I'll see if I can draw a picture.) If you drill the hole shallow enough, it might be possible to use the original broken stud piece in place of the new steel rod.
...Dazed
Here's an idea: Drill a flat-bottom blind hole (the size of the original hammer stud shaft) into the piece that screws into the frame. Then get some steel rod of the same diameter and insert it into the hole. Braze these two pieces together. Then cut the rod to the correct length and thread the other end to match the nut that holds on the side plate. (I'll see if I can draw a picture.) If you drill the hole shallow enough, it might be possible to use the original broken stud piece in place of the new steel rod.
...Dazed
deadin
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I think I would try to find a "donor" frame somewhere or any machinest worth their salt should be able to turn out a replacement. (This might be costly however..)
I like your idea of "embedding" a internal pin in the existing pieces. I might suggest that instead of trying to braze everything together, you might look into using Loctite 638. (No heat involved.)
It is a retaining compound that has some pretty high strength numbers. I'm a hobby machinest and have used this stuff to glue engine parts together without any problems.
It's not cheap, but it works..... Midway carries it... here's a link Loctite 638 Retaining Compound 10 ml - MidwayUSA
Check out the specs and see what you think......
I like your idea of "embedding" a internal pin in the existing pieces. I might suggest that instead of trying to braze everything together, you might look into using Loctite 638. (No heat involved.)
It is a retaining compound that has some pretty high strength numbers. I'm a hobby machinest and have used this stuff to glue engine parts together without any problems.
It's not cheap, but it works..... Midway carries it... here's a link Loctite 638 Retaining Compound 10 ml - MidwayUSA
Check out the specs and see what you think......
10/22
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Almost like my jig idea. A small piece of channel will do, either bought or constructed ( two parallel sides held together by a third, so gap is narrower than the frame. You might even make it four sided, a box. If constructed, I would use two plates and two drill rods (old drill bit shanks), to keep it all exactly parallel, welded or brazed together in a vice.
Drill a pilot hole straight through both sides on a drill press, keeping it 90 in both directions. Drill out bottom hole to push fit for screw-in frame stud and top hole to push fit for threaded pin. Place stud in bottom hole, shove the slightly ground to a taper pin down to frame stud, bronze weld together. Let cool and work bronze down to smooth bearing surface. Not too complicated and only requires care and patience.
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mmaher94087
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"I heard back from oldwestgunsmith - he doesn't have one so it's back to the fix-or-make option." I'd ask him the price to make one. It would be done right the first time if past experience is any indicator. Mike #283
rhmc24
Absent Comrade
You can probably find the 'stud' if you put forth enough effort. Keep in mind that it is a part that never wears out, almost never fails and not a factor in the supply/demand scene. If a dealer had one he probably wouldn't list it and if he had a scrapped frame wouldn't bother to take it out.
Enter the search word "parts" in auction websites such as Gun Broker to bring up dozens of responses. Prepare to check out all that are not type-specific such as '1911 Parts'.
Set up your message brief and to the point, max info minimum words. STart calling or emailing them describing exactly what you want and will consider buying a junker frame to get it. Say what you will pay. A simple part like that might look like a $10 item not worth bothering with so give it an attractive value number.
Keep in mind also that there are a lot of people who have not discovered the computer and internet. I follow up little three line ads in gun-pub classifieds.
Enter the search word "parts" in auction websites such as Gun Broker to bring up dozens of responses. Prepare to check out all that are not type-specific such as '1911 Parts'.
Set up your message brief and to the point, max info minimum words. STart calling or emailing them describing exactly what you want and will consider buying a junker frame to get it. Say what you will pay. A simple part like that might look like a $10 item not worth bothering with so give it an attractive value number.
Keep in mind also that there are a lot of people who have not discovered the computer and internet. I follow up little three line ads in gun-pub classifieds.
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Dazed&Confused
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Some good ideas! Thanks. Hopefully something will pan out.
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twaits
Member
I have a friend who runs a machine shop. If you have the broken pieces out of the gun he could definitely make this part. PM me if you are interested in going this route. I think he would do it for not a lot of money.
twaits
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I have bought three parts from David Becker so far from gunbroker. He ships super fast. I have no complaints so far.
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Dazed&Confused
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There's a parts gun on Gunbroker (Auction # 241661660) that has a hammer stud in it but the seller's starting price is $400! I wonder if the seller would put me in contact with the buyer so I could ask if they would sell me the part? Has anybody ever tried doing this with a Gunbroker sale?
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deadin
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I wouldn't count on him getting any bidders at that price.
twaits
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I wouldn't count on him getting any bidders at that price.
I bought this whole gun for $400!
I have found some very "hard to find" parts here on the forum simply by listing what I need in the Want To Buy section. There are members here that have access to old gunsmith caches of parts. There is a wealth of old stuff out there. Aside note, David C. completely rebuilt my S&W Frontier 44/40 with serial number 222 that shipped in 1887 to NYC,NY.
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Dazed&Confused
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Good idea! Check this out: http://smith-wessonforum.com/wanted-buy/200977-wtb-hammer-stud-s-w-44-da-frontier-pictures.html
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Dazed&Confused
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Success!!! - Please help with id of 44 DA 1st Model
Hammer Stud search successful!!!
A few posts ago Twaits wrote that he knew someone that could make a new hammer stud. He forwarded a few pictures to his friend who agreed to take the job (at a fee I was happy to pay I might add). I sent him the broken pieces and his friend, who turned out to be Vaughn Schafer of "2 UNIQUE Machine & Fabrication", duplicated the part perfectly! It screwed in nice and tight and the hammer and stud nut went on like it was the original part. (He also modified the gunstock nut driver I used to unscrew the broken hammer stud from the frame so it could be used to screw it back in! See attached Pics.)
I am seriously pleased with Vaughn's work and want to thank Twaits again for setting this up. If anybody needs a part made, PM Twaits and he'll put you in touch with Vaughn.
...Dazed & Confused
Hammer Stud search successful!!!
A few posts ago Twaits wrote that he knew someone that could make a new hammer stud. He forwarded a few pictures to his friend who agreed to take the job (at a fee I was happy to pay I might add). I sent him the broken pieces and his friend, who turned out to be Vaughn Schafer of "2 UNIQUE Machine & Fabrication", duplicated the part perfectly! It screwed in nice and tight and the hammer and stud nut went on like it was the original part. (He also modified the gunstock nut driver I used to unscrew the broken hammer stud from the frame so it could be used to screw it back in! See attached Pics.)
I am seriously pleased with Vaughn's work and want to thank Twaits again for setting this up. If anybody needs a part made, PM Twaits and he'll put you in touch with Vaughn.
...Dazed & Confused
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Way to go, everybody! Always fun to see minds come together
this way. I can't buy a round for everyone, but I'll have one in your honor. TACC1
this way. I can't buy a round for everyone, but I'll have one in your honor. TACC1
twaits
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Dazed,
I'm really glad it worked out! I'm glad I could help.
I'm really glad it worked out! I'm glad I could help.
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