RedNeck Jim
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What was your pending date? Mine went pending 2-14, so I'm expecting to wait another month or two. My check was cashed on 1-14.
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What was your pending date? Mine went pending 2-14, so I'm expecting to wait another month or two. My check was cashed on 1-14.
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I never found out. I started this thread last January, so it must've been close to that.
ChattanoogaPhil
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I sent one in early Feb. Check got cashed right away.
The wait is stupid. As was posted earlier, it should be no more complicated than buying a gun. It's total BS to pay $200 then wait a year for the feds to shuffle a couple pieces of paper.
I sent this e-mail to Senator Bob Corker (our hometown guy) and other reps during the last gun control debate. My next letter will contain less happy talk.
[[[ Senator Corker,
Thank you for doing a great job representing Tennessee, both as Mayor of Chattanooga and U.S. Senator.
While Congress is contemplating changes with background checks on gun purchases, I would like you to consider replacing the outdated and burdensome system of NFA transfers. As it is now, to buy a sound suppressor for a gun requires a $200 tax, special paperwork, FBI fingerprint cards, photos and six month wait while an overwhelmed and understaffed ATF agency processes the purchase transfer paperwork. This is not an exaggeration. Read the below from the ATF website.
" Q: How long does it take for ATF to process my NFA application?
In addition, the sheer volume of applications submitted for ATF review has dramatically increased in recent years. In fiscal year 2005, for example, ATF processed 41,579 NFA applications of all types. By FY 2011 that number had increased to 105,373, with a 25% decrease in the number of NFA examiners available to process the work. Currently, ATF’s customer service goal is to process an Application to Make and Register a Firearm (Form 1) and an Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of a Firearm (Form 4) within 6 months of ATF’s receipt of a correctly executed application."
Buying a sound suppressor should be no more complicated than buying a gun requiring NICS approval. NFA rules are nearly 100 years old. Please consider doing away with this outdated system of NFA purchases and replacing it with NICS. ]]]
The wait is stupid. As was posted earlier, it should be no more complicated than buying a gun. It's total BS to pay $200 then wait a year for the feds to shuffle a couple pieces of paper.
I sent this e-mail to Senator Bob Corker (our hometown guy) and other reps during the last gun control debate. My next letter will contain less happy talk.
[[[ Senator Corker,
Thank you for doing a great job representing Tennessee, both as Mayor of Chattanooga and U.S. Senator.
While Congress is contemplating changes with background checks on gun purchases, I would like you to consider replacing the outdated and burdensome system of NFA transfers. As it is now, to buy a sound suppressor for a gun requires a $200 tax, special paperwork, FBI fingerprint cards, photos and six month wait while an overwhelmed and understaffed ATF agency processes the purchase transfer paperwork. This is not an exaggeration. Read the below from the ATF website.
" Q: How long does it take for ATF to process my NFA application?
In addition, the sheer volume of applications submitted for ATF review has dramatically increased in recent years. In fiscal year 2005, for example, ATF processed 41,579 NFA applications of all types. By FY 2011 that number had increased to 105,373, with a 25% decrease in the number of NFA examiners available to process the work. Currently, ATF’s customer service goal is to process an Application to Make and Register a Firearm (Form 1) and an Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of a Firearm (Form 4) within 6 months of ATF’s receipt of a correctly executed application."
Buying a sound suppressor should be no more complicated than buying a gun requiring NICS approval. NFA rules are nearly 100 years old. Please consider doing away with this outdated system of NFA purchases and replacing it with NICS. ]]]
that right there is why the ATF doesnt like people using trusts.your trust isn't for your friends own personal toy shop.
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i don't get the logic in your post??? if my best friend wants to use my canned .308 on an elk hunt, who are you or anyone else to tell me that i can't write him in and let him use it, as long as i know he would be authorized to buy his own but opted not to due to funds, time, etc.....
the ATF may not like it, but it is just like dealer plates being put on different cars that the dealer wants to use for the week basically.
i really don't care what the ATF likes as long as i am within the law they can pound sand.
the ATF may not like it, but it is just like dealer plates being put on different cars that the dealer wants to use for the week basically.
i really don't care what the ATF likes as long as i am within the law they can pound sand.
Dirt Dart
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I have two Form 4's processing. I'm just assuming nine months, give or take.
I thought the beneficiary would only have use of the items in a trust once the items were passed to them. The trustees/grantors are those that would be allowed possession of the items in the trust while they are still alive. This is the reason many use a trust, not to get around the hassle of fingerprints, photos, and CLEO signature, but so that friends and family can use items without going to Federal pound me in the *** prison for using a danged muffler to protect their hearing.
It is definitely not an illegal transfer if you let somebody use an item in your presence. They do this all the time at class 3 demonstrations like Knob Creek, where you can rent a machine gun to go shoot.
Regarding the new legislation for the trust "loophole". How many criminals are paying lawyers to create trusts, purchase class 3 items at legal prices (you know $15k to $20k for a machine gun), and wait a year for the stamp? They're criminals, they'd just do it the easy way. However, this isn't about criminals, it's about control, and taking away the rights of law abiding citizens.
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I think it is about much, much more than preventing criminals from accessing weapons, or taking away citizen's rights.
I do not disagree that the net results of the major federal firearms legislative actions of 1934, 1968, and 1986 have eroded our 2nd Amendment freedoms. However, the reasons these laws exist reflect a complex web of political and business interests that, to me, is somewhat mind boggling.
If you are interested in a good legal review of the various pieces of legislation, read David Hardy's analysis of the 1986 FOPA legislation. While it focuses on the FOPA, it provides some really interesting factoids on the entire legislative history.
Warning: it is a very long review.
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i have not read any news stories about criminals actually 'using' cans when they commit crimes, kinda hard to conceal. MG's, illegally converted semi's are out there i'm sure (according to the 'hood' movies).
i think there are enough hoops we have to jump through in order to get a muffler to begin with and they don't need to add any more for the trusts. if it passes, they should grandfather already approved ones and go from there.
The opinion that if i'm standing there and let someone shoot my NFA item could be an illegal transfer came from my bud who is an ATFE agent who was qualifying at the range at the time. i had asked for clarification, and he said if they want to be di$$ about it they could, but not usual as who wants to do all that paperwork, which would get tossed prolly anyway.
after these stamps come in, i'm covered on all my guns anyway, so i don't plan on getting anymore in the future. IDC about SBR/SBS, just the suppressors, and being able to pass them down.
i was stationed in Germany from 1988 until i retired with 21 years Army, in Arizona in 1998, so 10 consecutive years in Europe. i have friends in Scotland, Ireland and they are required to have cans on their guns when hunting due to noise ordinances. they run about $75 when i was there and you can get them in a 7-11 type store! Getting the paperwork and application for the host to run it on is another story...very pricey. the have shotgun cans that are about a foot long, just to hunt rabbits. one really fun rabbit hunt was with ferrets and a suppressed shotgun, funny as all get out when that weasel chased the rabbit out of the hole, then 'puff' you nail it with the SG.
BTW our Sheriff will sign off on anything you ask him too. just his $5 fee and you are golden. takes 3 days as my first can was an individual form 4. it is just a hassle getting the fingerprints done (our PD only does on certain days), photo (my wife took mine and just cut it to dimension on the form, worked fine. LGS always has cans in stock and fills out all the paperwork, all you have to do is sign and either individualize it or trust it and mail away and .........................wait!
i think there are enough hoops we have to jump through in order to get a muffler to begin with and they don't need to add any more for the trusts. if it passes, they should grandfather already approved ones and go from there.
The opinion that if i'm standing there and let someone shoot my NFA item could be an illegal transfer came from my bud who is an ATFE agent who was qualifying at the range at the time. i had asked for clarification, and he said if they want to be di$$ about it they could, but not usual as who wants to do all that paperwork, which would get tossed prolly anyway.
after these stamps come in, i'm covered on all my guns anyway, so i don't plan on getting anymore in the future. IDC about SBR/SBS, just the suppressors, and being able to pass them down.
i was stationed in Germany from 1988 until i retired with 21 years Army, in Arizona in 1998, so 10 consecutive years in Europe. i have friends in Scotland, Ireland and they are required to have cans on their guns when hunting due to noise ordinances. they run about $75 when i was there and you can get them in a 7-11 type store! Getting the paperwork and application for the host to run it on is another story...very pricey. the have shotgun cans that are about a foot long, just to hunt rabbits. one really fun rabbit hunt was with ferrets and a suppressed shotgun, funny as all get out when that weasel chased the rabbit out of the hole, then 'puff' you nail it with the SG.
BTW our Sheriff will sign off on anything you ask him too. just his $5 fee and you are golden. takes 3 days as my first can was an individual form 4. it is just a hassle getting the fingerprints done (our PD only does on certain days), photo (my wife took mine and just cut it to dimension on the form, worked fine. LGS always has cans in stock and fills out all the paperwork, all you have to do is sign and either individualize it or trust it and mail away and .........................wait!
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