Surprising statistic (to me)...

[Rastoff]

Please tell us all where these "certain areas" are so we can all move there.

Upscale neighborhoods. Crime is basically non existent

Heck even small towns. A lot of safe places where people leave their doors unlocked and kids unsupervised.

Yeah, I thought you'd say that.

Just because people leave their doors unlocked and kids unsupervised doesn't mean there's no crime. I live in such a town. Last year we had to people killed right in town. About a week ago, one person had their house cleaned out while they were visiting relatives. How "safe" would it have been had they come home as the thieves were still there?


There is some very good advice that I always give out and follow myself: If you have the legal right to carry a gun, and want to carry one for self-defense, carry it every time it's legal to do so.

There are two very good reasons for this. First, by carrying it a lot, you become more comfortable with it. Thus you will be less likely to call attention to yourself. Second, and this is really the big one, you don't know when trouble will come calling. It is never, and I repeat, never, when you expect it. If you expected it, you would avoid it.

I'm not trying to convince anyone who doesn't carry that they should. Neither am I trying to change the way you do business. This is just a simple exercise in reality. If you think you're safe in "certain" places and don't want to carry your gun there, fine. You're not hurting me one bit. Just do it with the realization that the same thing can happen to you there as anywhere else in the world.

 

[ClayCow]

If you stay a resident of your last state and they have reciprosity with the state you moved to, then you still can carry, right? Just keep a post office box or something that keeps you a resident and keep your driver's license from your old state. I am not 100% but it seems like you could do that..... At least worth looking into, if you haven't already....

No. Absolutely not. I mean yes it would work, but to the sheriff's office and probably any prosecutor, that a violation of the law.

Now, what I should've originally done, is fly back to my home of record and gotten a ccw there with reciprocity to the state I'm in. Didn't know it till I met someone here. Technically I could've made my previous state my home of record, but I didn't want to.

Let me clarify, it all depends. Different ways you can work it and it is all dependent on your situation. Also different ways you can violate the law in the same aspect. But simply keeping a po box does not work. And more than likely using a simple po box and stating that one wants to make it their place of residence without changing other documents probably wouldn't hold up in court well.

 

[Rastoff]

If your group of 100 is selected to be 21 - 25 years old who are attending a liberal art colleges majoring in political science and humanitarian studies, the number permit holders may be zero.

And if you're standing at a gun range where there's 100 people, there's a good chance that all of them have a gun or immediate access to one.

There's no point in going though this exercise, his numbers are fine and not skewed as you suggest. When it comes to people and crowds, there is no truly random sample.

 

[ClayCow]

I am not sure what you mean. Yes- If the CCW rate 5%, then in an overall average sample of 100 people, there should be five with permits.

However, if your group of 100 is made-up of recent prior-service military who own multiple firearms, the number of permits holders will probably be much higher than five.

If your group of 100 is selected to be 21 - 25 years old who are attending a liberal art colleges majoring in political science and humanitarian studies, the number permit holders may be zero.

It's kinda like a Venn diagram. The cross-section of people attending that midnight showing would tend to fall in the latter "type" of group. If James Holmes would have decided to the hit the 9:00 pm showing on Friday or Saturday night, he may have been shot down fairly quickly by one or more permit holders, which is more of an "average" grouping.

I was just stating when you said statistically there should've been some ccw holders present, in reality any state with ccw holders wouldve statistically had someone present. Probably going to go around in circles because the only way I can explain it is by repeating what I said : ) just saying that I know what you were getting at, but in terms of sentence logic it is redundant or inane.

 

[ClayCow]

Yeah, I thought you'd say that.

Just because people leave their doors unlocked and kids unsupervised doesn't mean there's no crime. I live in such a town. Last year we had to people killed right in town. About a week ago, one person had their house cleaned out while they were visiting relatives. How "safe" would it have been had they come home as the thieves were still there?


There is some very good advice that I always give out and follow myself: If you have the legal right to carry a gun, and want to carry one for self-defense, carry it every time it's legal to do so.

There are two very good reasons for this. First, by carrying it a lot, you become more comfortable with it. Thus you will be less likely to call attention to yourself. Second, and this is really the big one, you don't know when trouble will come calling. It is never, and I repeat, never, when you expect it. If you expected it, you would avoid it.

I'm not trying to convince anyone who doesn't carry that they should. Neither am I trying to change the way you do business. This is just a simple exercise in reality. If you think you're safe in "certain" places and don't want to carry your gun there, fine. You're not hurting me one bit. Just do it with the realization that the same thing can happen to you there as anywhere else in the world.

Yup. Totally understand where you're coming from and I acknowledge danger can be anywhere. But there are towns which probably don't have violent crimes or theft for decades at a time. No the act of leaving a door unlocked does not make a place safe, just saying they exist

And to circle again I agree with your points. I just may not fully agree with the reason of your tactics. But I am glad you carry and that there are more out there who do carry. I would advocate for it. Hope I haven't confused anyone.