SW 1911 questions. Need to clear the air

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Shopping new 1911's.

Are the S&W 1911's built in the U.S.A.?

Does the SW 1911 use the original ignition system of Mr. Browning?. I am reading about the Swartz ignition and safety systems on the Kimber and how inferior it is.



Is a full length guide rod a good thing or a bad thing?
Does reliablility/accuracy increase?

100% of the handguns I have purchased are S&W. I am having a little trouble finding out about stuff like front strap checkering, ambi safeties, etc.
 
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Shopping new 1911's.

Are the S&W 1911's built in the U.S.A.?

Does the SW 1911 use the original ignition system of Mr. Browning?. I am reading about the Swartz ignition and safety systems on the Kimber and how inferior it is.



Is a full length guide rod a good thing or a bad thing?
Does reliablility/accuracy increase?

100% of the handguns I have purchased are S&W. I am having a little trouble finding out about stuff like front strap checkering, ambi safeties, etc.
 
A trip to the gun shop would answer all your questions. And you may even get to put your hands on some.

Bob
 
I assume you have read what is available on the S&W web-site? http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/C...8&top_category=15708

Or, you can do some reading in the S&W section
here.

As to your specific questions:
Are the S&W 1911's built in the U.S.A.? <span class="ev_code_RED">Yes.</span>

Does the SW 1911 use the original ignition system of Mr. Browning?.
<span class="ev_code_RED">The S&Ws use the Swartz firing pin safety system which is operated by the grip safety. I have had no problem with mine.</span>

Is a full length guide rod a good thing or a bad thing? Does reliablility/accuracy increase?
<span class="ev_code_RED">In my opinion, FLGRs aren't necessary and complicate the take-down procedure. I have guns with and without FLGRs and can't tell any difference in accuracy/reliability.</span>

S&W 1911s are good values for the money. You can do better if you want to spend more money. You can also do worse for the same money.
 
Don't bother with talking to people at gunshops unless they have a very extensive selection to look at. The folks behind the counter generally aren't going to know all the variations possible, and they almost never know the details of things like what sort of firing pin safety (if any) a gun has. There are some exceptions out there, of course, but it's not the norm....not to offend anyone, it's just the way things are.

The SW1911's use a firing pin safety activated by the grip safety. You can deactivate it, but then you run into liability issues etc.

You'll have to just look at all the different SKU's on the website to find out details on checkering and thumb safeties. For example SKU 108284 has 20lpi checkering on the front strap, ambi safeties and adjustable sights.

I have full length guiderods in all of my 1911's. They don't offer any increase in accuracy or reliability except in the rare case of a broken recoil spring (and that's iffy). I think they do offer a possible advantage in spring life, but even that is up for debate. My guns see far more use than most recreational shooters will ever put through their guns, so spring life is a factor for me. My newest gun was custom in August and it's got almost 4,000 rounds through it and I haven't been able to shoot as much as I normally do the last two months...1,000 rounds per month in that gun (or the backup to it) is a low figure for me. If you're not doing that sort of shooting, it probably doesn't matter either way.

I won't say the SW1911's are bad guns, but I think for the same money you can get more gun from other sources. R,
 
S&W's implementation of the Swartz safety is much more robust than Kimber's. The thin push rod on my Kimber Ten II is nothing like the beefier steel cam on my 1911SC. An advantage to a Swartz safety is that it doesn't muck with the trigger pull.

My 1911SC came with a FLGR. I just replaced the parts with a GI spring guide and plug.

I think the S&W 1911s are one of the best values in a 1911.
 
Originally posted by frontsight40:
Shopping new 1911's.

Are the S&W 1911's built in the U.S.A.?

YES.

Does the SW 1911 use the original ignition system of Mr. Browning?. I am reading about the Swartz ignition and safety systems on the Kimber and how inferior it is.

YES, BUT WITH THE ADDITION OF THE ORIGINAL COLT FIRING PIN SAFETY, CALLED THE SWARTZ SAFETY, WHICH IS ACTIVATED OFF THE GRIP SAFETY RATHER THAN THE TRIGGER, AS IN THE CURRENT COLT SERIES 80 SYSTEM. MANY CONSIDER THE SERIES 80 THE LESSER FIRING PIN SAFETY DUE TO THE FACT THAT SOME SAY IT MAKES GETTING A GOOD TRIGGER PULL MORE DIFFICULT FOR A GUNSMITH.



Is a full length guide rod a good thing or a bad thing?
Does reliablility/accuracy increase?

IT MAKES DISASSEMBLY VERY DIFFICULT WITHOUT A BUSHING WRENCH AND PREVENTS COCKING THE PISTOL BY PRESSING THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE FORWARD AGAINST A HARD SURFACE. FORTUNATELY, IT IS EASY TO GET DROP IN REPLACEMENT PARTS (YOU NEED THE RECOIL SPRING PLUG AND STANDARD RECOIL SPRING GUIDE - THE EXISTING SPRING SHOULD BE USED).

100% of the handguns I have purchased are S&W. I am having a little trouble finding out about stuff like front strap checkering, ambi safeties, etc.

I CANNOT RECALL ABOUT THOSE ISSUES, BUT I LOVE THE S&W 1911 AND, HAVING OWNED ALL OTHER BRANDS, AM CONVINCED IT IS THE BEST CURRENTLY PRODUCED PRODUCTION 1911, BETTER THAN COLT, KIMBER, SPRINGFIELD, AND ALL THE OTHERS. CERTAINLY THE SPRINGFIELD CUSTOM SHOP GUNS ARE BETTER AS ARE LES BAER, BUT YOU CAN BUY TWO OR THREE OF THE S&W 1911s FOR THE PRICE OF THOSE.
 
Originally posted by shawn mccarver:
Originally posted by frontsight40:
Shopping new 1911's.

Are the S&W 1911's built in the U.S.A.?

YES.

Does the SW 1911 use the original ignition system of Mr. Browning?. I am reading about the Swartz ignition and safety systems on the Kimber and how inferior it is.

YES, BUT WITH THE ADDITION OF THE ORIGINAL COLT FIRING PIN SAFETY, CALLED THE SWARTZ SAFETY, WHICH IS ACTIVATED OFF THE GRIP SAFETY RATHER THAN THE TRIGGER, AS IN THE CURRENT COLT SERIES 80 SYSTEM. MANY CONSIDER THE SERIES 80 THE LESSER FIRING PIN SAFETY DUE TO THE FACT THAT SOME SAY IT MAKES GETTING A GOOD TRIGGER PULL MORE DIFFICULT FOR A GUNSMITH.



Is a full length guide rod a good thing or a bad thing?
Does reliablility/accuracy increase?

IT MAKES DISASSEMBLY VERY DIFFICULT WITHOUT A BUSHING WRENCH AND PREVENTS COCKING THE PISTOL BY PRESSING THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE FORWARD AGAINST A HARD SURFACE. FORTUNATELY, IT IS EASY TO GET DROP IN REPLACEMENT PARTS (YOU NEED THE RECOIL SPRING PLUG AND STANDARD RECOIL SPRING GUIDE - THE EXISTING SPRING SHOULD BE USED).

100% of the handguns I have purchased are S&W. I am having a little trouble finding out about stuff like front strap checkering, ambi safeties, etc.

I CANNOT RECALL ABOUT THOSE ISSUES, BUT I LOVE THE S&W 1911 AND, HAVING OWNED ALL OTHER BRANDS, AM CONVINCED IT IS THE BEST CURRENTLY PRODUCED PRODUCTION 1911, BETTER THAN COLT, KIMBER, SPRINGFIELD, AND ALL THE OTHERS. CERTAINLY THE SPRINGFIELD CUSTOM SHOP GUNS ARE BETTER AS ARE LES BAER, BUT YOU CAN BUY TWO OR THREE OF THE S&W 1911s FOR THE PRICE OF THOSE.

Hey Shawn,

STOP YELLING when you post
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If you think disassembly with a full length guide rod is extremely difficult, I'm a little bit confused as there's nothing to it at all. Some require a small piece of a paperclip, some unscrew into two parts, some use a little plastic part, and I'm sure there are other ways, but it takes about five extra seconds. Pop the slide off, push the guide rod all the way forward, stick the paperclip in and remove to the rear...done. Same basic operation for the plastic plug and even less if the rod unscrews into two parts.

You've really owned ALL brands of 1911 out there? AMT, Armscor, Auto-Ordinance, Les Baer, Ed Brown, Briley, Colt, Charles Daly, Kimber, Nighthawk, Norinco, Olympic, Para Ordinance, Rock Island Armory, Rock River Arms, Sig Sauer, STI, SVI/Infinity, Dan Wesson, Wilson Combat....heck, those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head, I'm sure there are others.

Now, I've only owned 1911's since 1983, so that's not exactly a long time (Colt Gold Cup Mark IV, Series 70 that I still have) compared with some folks, but I own a small stack of them now and quite honestly, an SW1911 won't ever be added to that stack when I compare the quality and price to other guns that offer just as much, or more, for less money. A lowly STI Trojan (paid $870 for mine) is hand fit where it counts, not made on a production line, and is absolutely, positively, a better gun than the best SW1911 model. Brown, Baer, Wilson, SVI and Nighthawk all make far superior models and not all of them cost more than the Smith.

I'm not bagging on S&W...I have a small stack of them as well in both revolvers and autos, but the SW1911 doesn't compare with their own revolvers and some of their other autos....sad, but true. Now, if they'd make an SW like they make the M41, things would be a much different story! R,
 
I have not owned one of every 1911 made (see Gman's list above), but I have owned many Colt 1911s. The S&W's are easily as good and are my preference. If you have a yen for a new 1911, give a S&W a try. I think you will be impressed.

Out West
 
Iv'e had a 1911 SC for almost 3 years and like it. Ditched the guide rod soon as I got it, don't like them. I like it better than my Colt's series 70 and my Kimber TLE II. But not as much as my Baer TRS.


GST
 
I have 5 of them and IMO they put Kimber and Springfield Armory to shame at least in the same price group. The entire gun and parts are made at S&W in Mass but there are a lot of mim or metal injected parts. Not a bad thing as most makers use them till you hit the $1500 and up range. I honestly feel that the S&W 1911 is the best value on the market, I have many thousands of rounds downrange thru mine with zero failures but like anything mechanical it must be taken care of. As far as full length guide rods go they were originally thought up by pro shooters as a way to increase weight on the guns front end (to lessen recoil). Personally, they are the first thing that goes in the trash when I buy a new gun as they do absolutely nothing in terms of reliability and are a p.i.t.a as far as disassembley goes. Spend $30 and get a standard GI short rod and plug if you ever get on with a FLGR. Another great thing about the S&Ws is the lifetime warranty and the outstanding customer service they offer. Buy one, you won't regret it!! Before I forget, at some point someone will point out that S&W has an external extractor and tell you it's a bad thing, it's not, S&W has it down to a science. On a gun with a standard or internal extractor, it's another thing to clean and tune. With the Smith, you do nothing except send it back to them if you ever develop a problem.
 
Originally posted by G-ManBart:
Originally posted by shawn mccarver:
Originally posted by frontsight40:
Shopping new 1911's.

Are the S&W 1911's built in the U.S.A.?

YES.

Does the SW 1911 use the original ignition system of Mr. Browning?. I am reading about the Swartz ignition and safety systems on the Kimber and how inferior it is.

YES, BUT WITH THE ADDITION OF THE ORIGINAL COLT FIRING PIN SAFETY, CALLED THE SWARTZ SAFETY, WHICH IS ACTIVATED OFF THE GRIP SAFETY RATHER THAN THE TRIGGER, AS IN THE CURRENT COLT SERIES 80 SYSTEM. MANY CONSIDER THE SERIES 80 THE LESSER FIRING PIN SAFETY DUE TO THE FACT THAT SOME SAY IT MAKES GETTING A GOOD TRIGGER PULL MORE DIFFICULT FOR A GUNSMITH.



Is a full length guide rod a good thing or a bad thing?
Does reliablility/accuracy increase?

IT MAKES DISASSEMBLY VERY DIFFICULT WITHOUT A BUSHING WRENCH AND PREVENTS COCKING THE PISTOL BY PRESSING THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE FORWARD AGAINST A HARD SURFACE. FORTUNATELY, IT IS EASY TO GET DROP IN REPLACEMENT PARTS (YOU NEED THE RECOIL SPRING PLUG AND STANDARD RECOIL SPRING GUIDE - THE EXISTING SPRING SHOULD BE USED).

100% of the handguns I have purchased are S&W. I am having a little trouble finding out about stuff like front strap checkering, ambi safeties, etc.

I CANNOT RECALL ABOUT THOSE ISSUES, BUT I LOVE THE S&W 1911 AND, HAVING OWNED ALL OTHER BRANDS, AM CONVINCED IT IS THE BEST CURRENTLY PRODUCED PRODUCTION 1911, BETTER THAN COLT, KIMBER, SPRINGFIELD, AND ALL THE OTHERS. CERTAINLY THE SPRINGFIELD CUSTOM SHOP GUNS ARE BETTER AS ARE LES BAER, BUT YOU CAN BUY TWO OR THREE OF THE S&W 1911s FOR THE PRICE OF THOSE.

Hey Shawn,

STOP YELLING when you post
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R,

Bart:

Sorry - I usually do not use all caps, but when I answer a question within the original quote, as here, I use the caps to distinguish the answer from the original question.

I suppose I could use color, but can never think of it. It is an age and generation thing, I think!

Shawn
 
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