SW 686 versus COLT Python?

I don't care so much that the cylinder rotates the wrong way

Ryan

Honestly, the Colt action (cylinder spins clockwise)
is a stronger and much smarter way of doing things. In no way will a Colt cylinder pop open under recoil like a S&W could. Sure S&W went thru many changes to remedy the problem.
I'm not sure but it could be a patent thing is why one rotates one way and the other rotates the other.
 
My wife can't decide between her 586 no dash or her Python. I prefer the 586 because it has a better trigger, but the Python is, well, a Python. And hers is a goodie, a nickle gun made in 1968 with beautiful Mustang grips.
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It's true Pythons cost a lot, but it IS a hand-fitted gun. They cost more largely because they are labor intensive, and because they are Colt Pythons. But if I had to choose, I'd take a Smith any day of the week (Apologies to Python fans.)

The wife was drooling over a nice Smith at a local gun show recently, but we were broke. I told her, "Hell, honey, he'd probably take your Python in trade."

Just to look at her, you'd never know she could punch that hard....
 
When you come to S&W forum and ask if a Colt is better than a Smith what do you think you are going to hear. Of course a bunch of Smith collectors are going to say that Smith's are the best. Rdr has just said a lot of the things I have heard and thought before.

Pythons have a sort of mystique about them. I own a blue 4" one and people give me the "oh, really" look when I tell them I own one. I have never got that look when I talk about my 4" 586. I mostly have to explain that it is the blue version of a 686. Then usually it's something like "yeah, I've shot my brothers 686. It's nice." I also have a 627 that I like better than both of those guns because it has 8 holes in the cylinder and a gold dot front sight.

The python has the best action/trigger of the three but I also hate it's sights. The back sight is fine but I like gold dot front sights and haven't been able to find one for my python. The factory stocks also feel funny but a $20 set of rubbers fixed that. I don't care so much that the cylinder rotates the wrong way as much as it annoys me that the cylinder release is backwards.

I have no real complaints about the 586. It's just a good shootin' gun and I also have a set of rubber combats on it to make it feel right. I plan to look for a no lock 686 to be its kiss'n cousin. I hate always worring about scratching the blue.

My 627 feels good in my hand shoots great and was worth every penny. As far as N-frames being ultra tough, it also the only one that I have shot out of time. That is not any kind of catastrophic failure but is annoying being that it was wizard tuned by performance center from the factory. I like its sights and it came with small finger groove wood grips and a set of rubber hogues. I think it is the best value for dollar.

If you are thinking about shooting any kind of competition(which I recommend because its fun) buy a 686. revolver classes usually have some sort of six shot rule. The 686/586 handle nice and are tough. It is still made and is serviceable. The 627 is a great gun. And if you shoot bowling pins or steel you get two more chances before a reload. They are awsome guns. If you occasionally shoot and like to wow other occasional shooters buy the python. It will almost always bring the money you spent on it unless you absolutly needed that $2000 1958 n.i.b. to turn into a shooter or store it in a brine tank. They all are nice, accurate and can be tuned. It all depends on how you want to spend your hard earned $.
Ryan

Sorry guys;didn't mean to raise anyone's blood pressure. I think this quote sums it all up very nicely----.

The Python is definitely a great gun but it is becoming too pricey for the casual shooter (like myself) and ends up being a "safe queen".

I'm also into collector cars;and certain models are so pricey the owners never take them out of the garage to enjoy them.
Life is too short---- You end up keeping it nice for the next guy.

I think I see a 686, a 627, or a 27 in my future.

Just for giggles-----I ought to post the same topic on the Colt Forum and see what happens!

Thanks all- DandyDon1
 
I've never fired a Colt, but then again, I've never met a 357 I didn't like.
I do have and love my 686+ 3 inch barrel. Great trigger right from the factory, at 21 feet I can put 7 shots in a 1 inch group shooting it DA. Sure she's heavy, but she is my favorite carry gun.
For a casual shooter, you can't go wrong with a 686( or a 27 or a 65 or anything else that bears the S&W logo).
 
I have a nice SS 6-inch Python and a whole bunch of Smiths. I just had to have that one Python, for the looks, the way the trigger feels (I like that stacking) and the way the finish feels in my hand. But that one Python is enough for me. I have never felt that way about Smith revolvers! I can't imagine saying that I have all the K frames that I lust after. Besides, I can work on a Smith -- after doing some reading I can't imagine wanting to disassemble and reassemble my Python! And it's hard enough to find a good gunsmith for Smiths, it is a real bear to find someone to work on a Colt.
 
I have a nice SS 6-inch Python and a whole bunch of Smiths. I just had to have that one Python, for the looks, the way the trigger feels (I like that stacking) and the way the finish feels in my hand. But that one Python is enough for me. I have never felt that way about Smith revolvers! I can't imagine saying that I have all the K frames that I lust after. Besides, I can work on a Smith -- after doing some reading I can't imagine wanting to disassemble and reassemble my Python! And it's hard enough to find a good gunsmith for Smiths, it is a real bear to find someone to work on a Colt.


i must agree...i have a 6"blue python...gorgeous gun! i feel every revolver guy should own a python...as someone mentioned they have always been pricey and these days they are really high!
 
I have owned two COLT Python .357 Magnum revolvers. Both were very accurate. I was not impressed with the action. The SA offered no improvement to a well-fitted 686. I did not care for the DA. The sights were good, but offered no improvement over the 686. I did not care for the grip. After the second one, I decided to stick with the S&W. I do not consider that the Python offers good value for the money. In comparison with a well-fitted 686, I prefer the 686. JMHO. Sincerely. brucev.
 
Many good opinions expressed in this thread, so I might as well add another or to what others have already stated.

If you're looking for art and have that kind of money, buy the Python. They are things of beauty and great shooters, but if you break one, be prepared to spend a lot of time and money bringing it back to life.

If you want good looks and functionality, the S&W can't be beat, be it an "L" or "N" frame. It will hit the same target with the same degree of accuracy, just as reliably, and has considerably better service support than the Colt. So, to use an analogy, you would own a Cadillac instead of a Rolls, still gets you where you want to go for considerably fewer $$$.

If you're looking for a daily driver, follow the advise of several other members (you may include me in that group), and get a Ruger GP100. They do all the above (accuracy, reliability), the triggers are greatly improved, and can be made very good with little effort by anyone with average mechanical skills. Plus, they are tanks. If you can find a factory load that will destroy a Ruger, let me know, because I've seen stupidly insane re-loads that couldn't do it. The other real advantages are if you scratch a Ruger, you won't cry, if you pack it to the boonies, it is incredibly easy to break down and clean, and a brand new one will cost about the same or less than anything mentioned above used. If a Buick will meet your needs, this is the one to consider.

All good guns, so it's a matter of how much your wallet will tolerate and how much the brand name means when you pull the trigger.;)
 
What Gunny said about Rugers. If you don't care for the looks of the contemporary Ruger revolvers, think about the Security Six, Service Six or Speed Six, their immediate predecessors. Great guns, accurate, and, in my opinion, alot nicer looking than the GP100 or SP101, and very affordable. Too heavy a trigger out the box, but they are easy to work on (if I can do it...) A fair number of Smith collectors are fans of these older Rugers.
 
In 357s I got a bunch. Amoung those are
a 27, 28, 686, 19, OM flattop Ruger and several NM Rugers. Notice the lack of any Colts. I had a Python and a Trooper Mk III. The Python was fantastic but I just couldn't shoot it well. The Trooper was, in my opinion, a better revolver. It seemed less fragile. I know that sounds subjective but "I'm just saying". Also, I like functionality above all and I could not understand the vent rib on the Python.

I think the most useful 357 in my safe is the model 28. It has a 4" barrel and even full-house 158 gr. bad boys shoot like a 38 in one of my K frames. It has a good trigger and I know it will never wear.

My advice is forget about names and try to find one that you shoot well. After all, nothing else really counts.
 
I have them both, for shooting, you will want the 686

Pythons or mostly a collectors item these days due to the name and the fact that its difficult to find parts or someone to work on them that knows what they are doing.
 
My Two Cent's Worth

I have owned many blue and nickel Pythons during the past 35 years, 2.5-inch, 3-inch, 4-inch, and 6-inch. I always bought them because I thought that I should have at least one example, but because they never really jazzed me, I would dump one and get another variation hoping that it would be "the one." My last one was an ANIB 1967 blue 4-inch, but it didn't do it for me either.

My best .357 is a 3.5-inch PC 27-8. Although it doesn't have the vintage charisma of the Smiths of Olde, and it doesn't have, as one member appropriately remarked, the mystique of the Python, the PC 27-8 has everything I want (including something I don't want -- the IL).

Perhaps I am out of step with the rest of the world, but Colts, including the Python, just don't float my boat. With the exception of the historical Victorian charm of the single action army, I just don't think they are interesting guns. The only two I would want now are the .45 Colt New Service and the 1908 .380 "hammerless" pocket auto, but of course these haven't been made since WWII. Smiths, on the other hand, are interesting; they have panache and have so many different models and variations that they are just plain fascinating.

Here are a few of my observations between Colt and Smith & Wesson. They are, of course, not really practical day-to-day concerns, but they do highlight a few differences between the brands:

Colt:

1. Cylinder rotates in same direction it closes, so cylinder rotation and lockup push against the frame (probably a negligible benefit considering modern manufacturing).

2. Cylinder stop notches are offset from the chambers, so the stop won't peen the metal into the cylinder, like what happened to one of my M15s.

3. Very simple cylinder locking mechanism: one large-diameter bin at the back of the cylinder. Unlike the Smith, Colt doesn't rely on opposing pins and springs for lockup. The ejector rod doesn't have those parts to bind, and a damaged ejector rod won't render the gun inoperable.

Smith & Wesson:

1. I like the lockwork better than Colt's; it operates smoother without the need to flex parts (Colt's "shelf and lever" gizmo).

2. Smith has a single-leaf mainspring, unlike Colt's "V"-shaped mainspring. I had these springs break at the point of the "V" in two old Colts I once had.

3. Even though more complicated than Colt, the fore-and-aft cylinder lockup on the Smith seems like a better idea, even with the drawbacks noted above. (As an aside, my 27-8 doesn't have an under-barrel locking pin; it has a ball detent on the front of the yoke that locks into a "V" notch in the barrel shroud.)

That said, I would go with the Smith. I agree with the other members' assessments of the Python, but I can't recommend buying one just because it is a Python. The Smith will be every bit as durable, parts availability and factory service should be good, and properly cared for, the Smith will likely give you many years of reliable service.

Just my humble opinion.
 
I have owned many blue and nickel Pythons during the past 35 years, 2.5-inch, 3-inch, 4-inch, and 6-inch. I always bought them because I thought that I should have at least one example, but because they never really jazzed me, I would dump one and get another variation hoping that it would be "the one." My last one was an ANIB 1967 blue 4-inch, but it didn't do it for me either.

My best .357 is a 3.5-inch PC 27-8. Although it doesn't have the vintage charisma of the Smiths of Olde, and it doesn't have, as one member appropriately remarked, the mystique of the Python, the PC 27-8 has everything I want (including something I don't want -- the IL).

Perhaps I am out of step with the rest of the world, but Colts, including the Python, just don't float my boat. With the exception of the historical Victorian charm of the single action army, I just don't think they are interesting guns. The only two I would want now are the .45 Colt New Service and the 1908 .380 "hammerless" pocket auto, but of course these haven't been made since WWII. Smiths, on the other hand, are interesting; they have panache and have so many different models and variations that they are just plain fascinating.

Here are a few of my observations between Colt and Smith & Wesson. They are, of course, not really practical day-to-day concerns, but they do highlight a few differences between the brands:

Colt:

1. Cylinder rotates in same direction it closes, so cylinder rotation and lockup push against the frame (probably a negligible benefit considering modern manufacturing).

2. Cylinder stop notches are offset from the chambers, so the stop won't peen the metal into the cylinder, like what happened to one of my M15s.

3. Very simple cylinder locking mechanism: one large-diameter bin at the back of the cylinder. Unlike the Smith, Colt doesn't rely on opposing pins and springs for lockup. The ejector rod doesn't have those parts to bind, and a damaged ejector rod won't render the gun inoperable.

Smith & Wesson:

1. I like the lockwork better than Colt's; it operates smoother without the need to flex parts (Colt's "shelf and lever" gizmo).

2. Smith has a single-leaf mainspring, unlike Colt's "V"-shaped mainspring. I had these springs break at the point of the "V" in two old Colts I once had.

3. Even though more complicated than Colt, the fore-and-aft cylinder lockup on the Smith seems like a better idea, even with the drawbacks noted above. (As an aside, my 27-8 doesn't have an under-barrel locking pin; it has a ball detent on the front of the yoke that locks into a "V" notch in the barrel shroud.)

That said, I would go with the Smith. I agree with the other members' assessments of the Python, but I can't recommend buying one just because it is a Python. The Smith will be every bit as durable, parts availability and factory service should be good, and properly cared for, the Smith will likely give you many years of reliable service.

Just my humble opinion.

S&W 27-2 5" and a Colt python 4" to me are the perfect matching pair hard to beat and of course S&W model 66 3inch.
 
I had a hard time walking away from a 6 inch 686 today. If only I didn't have a $1200 doctor bill to pay. $550 OTD.

The Model 19-5 that I chose made more sense financially for my personal use.

You wont regret the purchase.
 
FWIW, first off both the Python and S&W .357's are great guns IMHO.

It is a very tough call IMHO.

There are differences in the actions and I like the old double actions of the Colts.

However, I did a little stoning here and there on my 686+ and it has a wonderful action IMHO.

If you can afford it though, I'd buy the Python now and the S&W .357's later due to availability.

But your question is very, very hard to answer because I believe both manufacturers make/made very nice .357 revolvers.

It is a subjective thing, but I favor, by a little bit, the old double action Colt revolver lockwork more than the S&W. I mean a VERY LITTLE BIT!!

You might look around for old Official Police revolvers made by Colt until 1969. I recently got a tack driver for only $225. It was an unrealistically good deal from my FFL friend but, it's action is as good as some Pythons I have fired. It isn't as robust or nice of a gun as the Python though. PLUS, the Official Police is .38 Special ONLY.

Alot of Official Police revolvers were made and alot are out there for MUCH less cost.

Maybe try one of those and buy the S&W .357 types also? (You'll have a nice .38 Special and a nice .357 that way.) Just a thought.

Here's an example of an Official Police on gunsamerica. Cost quite a bit more than I paid for but you will get the general idea:

http://www.gunsamerica.com/90851697...ion-Revolvers-Modern/Colt_Official_Police.htm
 
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I'm just a novice compared to most of you guys, but I'll chime in! I only own (13) handguns total and only (3) are S&W's. However, there is one Colt Python in the group. Its a 4" blue manufactured in 1967 and is like new. I bought it at a small community estate auction in 2001 for $250!!!!! Since the purchase, its been fired less than (20) rounds! Its so damn pretty its strictly a safe queen! So my advice would be to buy a Smith, Ruger, or whatever if you intend to shoot it.
 
I have owned several Pythons over the years and will tell you that their reputation as a smooth and accurate gun is well deserved. The analogy of the Python being like a fine automobile which requires much more maintenance than your average Chevy or Ford is also very true. I have never owned a 686, but have owned a 4" model 27, and a 5" model 627PC, in addition to several other very fine S&W revolvers. Coming from a die hard Python lover, it is hard for me to say, but due to the scarcity/unavailability of Python parts, and the decreasing number of truly qualified gunsmiths who can maintain a Python, I would first suggest the 686. Actually, I would suggest the 627PC as my go to .357, then the 686.
 
The German KORTH is the Ferrari of 357's and has a price to match. It takes 4 to 6 months to make and is handbuilt.

That said Python/S&W your nit picking, both are simply excellent pistols.

The vent rib thing comes from the old King Sight Colt and Smith Super King conversions. I have the trifecta in Colt Officers Model King Super conversions...38, 32 & 22...even have one in the 22 Offical Police.

I also have my share of pythons, 686's, pre war 357's, pre 27's and even a Colt Shooting Master in 357.
 
I had one of the first stainless Pythons. A really nice gun, good trigger, accurate, etc. but I never really warmed up[ to it. Aside from the pride of ownership thing, I really didn't like it all that well. The 686 or the 627 Pro that eventually replaced it serve my needs much better. With a little kitchen table gunsmithing, both have a better trigger than the Python and are equally accurate.
 
What is it about the mystique of the Python?

If I have to explain , ya wouldn't understand!

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The lines , the perfect polishing , the deep , deep bluing , the super smooth action , the perfect balance.

Gee , I wonder what revolver S&W copied the full under barrel lug from?

Both are fine revolvers. But like the Cadillac vs Chevrolet differences , only some will appreciate them.
 
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I probably have more rounds through a Python than any other handgun; Having said that in the end I prefer the Smith action - personal preference and all that.
 
This movie alone sold me on the Python:

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I own one - a four incher like the one about to administer the penalty for pimping and bribing pictured above.

I own a boatload of Smiths but I do love my Python.
 
This movie alone sold me on the Python:

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I own one - a four incher like the one about to administer the penalty for pimping and bribing pictured above.

I own a boatload of Smiths but I do love my Python.

If I recall correctly, it was David Soul on the non-business end of that one. Interestingly enough, it was also his firearm of choice in Starsky & Hutch.

I carried a Model 19 when I was a LEO. I traded up for a 66. It damned-near got me killed. Somehow, the firing pin bushing was pushed back into the frame. As the next round was fired, the primer backed up into that space and it locked up.

I bought a Python shortly thereafter and never looked back.

I was NOT a happy camper.


bj
 
This movie alone sold me on the Python:

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I own one - a four incher like the one about to administer the penalty for pimping and bribing pictured above.

I own a boatload of Smiths but I do love my Python.

Yea, that movie got me hooked too and cost me some cash back in 74'.
Best part is I still have that Python I purchased. A 64' model with all the trimmings.
 
Hey, Im not prejudiced. I got a couple myself. I have a almost unbeliveable story about that 2 1/2" nickle. If I may: It cost me brand new I think $165 tax inclued! January 1st, 1971. Jack First the gun parts guy at rapid city used to own "The Gunshop" at Lancaster, Calif.
Every year jack had a 5 day sale at the beginning of the year. Not the entire shop, but selected stuff from every catagory. It went like this: 1st day, 10% off, increaseing another 10% every day, untill the 5th day what was left was 50% off! It was a real circus every morning when he opened the shop! The day of jan 4th and that night we got the biggest snow storm I had ever seen on the high desert in the close to 40 years I lived there. Maybe a couple of feet on the level! The streets wasnt even plowed. That country doesnt have that much snow removel equipment.
Getting my truck on the road was hopeless. Finaly I bundled up and got my harley out! I bulldozed and walked it to the main road. One lane was open. I probley dropped it over in the soft high snow several times in the 10 miles to jacks but didnt hurt anything.
Very few people could make it that 5th morning and I bought that python for half price! I did similar for something like 15 or 20 years at Jacks annual sale. Bought probley 20 guns that way from jack, even a fine randall knife etc. I soon had Alphonso of hollywood custom make that rig for it. The belt shrunk a foot though!

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Merril, that is one of the best gotta-buy-that-gun stories I've ever heard.

Poor Clint - looks like shooting that Python is going to make him hurl!

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I have a 1964 2.5" Python and a 2.5" 686. Both have excellent triggers, but the Smith shoots like a rifle and recoils far less than the Colt. it is the one I carry. I also have a 4" Python and a 4" 586. The Colt has the better trigger and is more accurate. That being said, the model 27s are by far the best of the lot.
 
Pythons look cool, but are not near as reliable as S&W. The double action "loads" differently than S&Ws.
IMO go for the Smith.
 
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