Gopher Slayer
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I've been working my *** off here at the ranch so I still haven't tested the improved 90 degree plates. I'll be able to use them this weekend though.
SWS Brass Deflector is now available
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Freeway
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That may work better than the tape. Thanks!
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I'm having one or two bouncebacks per mag with both of the new flat deflector plates.
It looks like the 45 degree setup works best on my 15-22 too. I never had a single issue with it.
Even though I had a couple bouncebacks with the 25 degree setup I still like it better. I never get hit with brass and it just looks good on there.
I'm having one or two bouncebacks per mag with both of the new flat deflector plates.
It looks like the 45 degree setup works best on my 15-22 too. I never had a single issue with it.
Even though I had a couple bouncebacks with the 25 degree setup I still like it better. I never get hit with brass and it just looks good on there.
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cjt50
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Had a chance to hit the range again today and use the 4 SWS proto-type deflectors.
This time I had my well used 15-22 with me. It has just over 20k rounds thru it and sports an RRA 2 stage trigger instead of the OEM one.
I shot 150 rounds with each of the angled deflector, (50 Rem Thunderbolt, 50 Rem Golden Bullet and 50 Fed Automatch) I also fired 50 round of Thunderbolt with the 2 90 degree deflectors. Results follow;
45 degree deflector had no issues at all
25 degree deflector had no issues except 1 didn't clear the chamber area after the bolt locked back and the brass followed the magazine out.
STD-1 had bounce back on rounds 5, 27 and 42 and the brass didn't clear the chamber area when the bolt locked back on rounds 10, 30, 50.
STD-2 had bounce backs on rounds 25 and 43.
Again, the angled ones seems to be winners, atleast on my 2 rifles.
Alot of the same observations as noted in my earlier post (#338 this thread): http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-...-deflector-now-available-7.html#post137404930.
That is all (trying to keep this post shorter then the earlier one
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This time I had my well used 15-22 with me. It has just over 20k rounds thru it and sports an RRA 2 stage trigger instead of the OEM one.
I shot 150 rounds with each of the angled deflector, (50 Rem Thunderbolt, 50 Rem Golden Bullet and 50 Fed Automatch) I also fired 50 round of Thunderbolt with the 2 90 degree deflectors. Results follow;
45 degree deflector had no issues at all
25 degree deflector had no issues except 1 didn't clear the chamber area after the bolt locked back and the brass followed the magazine out.
STD-1 had bounce back on rounds 5, 27 and 42 and the brass didn't clear the chamber area when the bolt locked back on rounds 10, 30, 50.
STD-2 had bounce backs on rounds 25 and 43.
Again, the angled ones seems to be winners, atleast on my 2 rifles.
Alot of the same observations as noted in my earlier post (#338 this thread): http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-...-deflector-now-available-7.html#post137404930.
That is all (trying to keep this post shorter then the earlier one
)Well, let's go...
Think it's time to concentrate on the 25 and 45 degree models...the straight 90's still seem to have problems, (although I've never had a bounceback with my original). Seems these two are the way to go, and the 45 seems to work the best for folks. SWS, I love my original, but I'm ready to move forward with one of the angled ones....wattdya say???
Think it's time to concentrate on the 25 and 45 degree models...the straight 90's still seem to have problems, (although I've never had a bounceback with my original). Seems these two are the way to go, and the 45 seems to work the best for folks. SWS, I love my original, but I'm ready to move forward with one of the angled ones....wattdya say???
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Think it's time to concentrate on the 25 and 45 degree models...the straight 90's still seem to have problems, (although I've never had a bounceback with my original). Seems these two are the way to go, and the 45 seems to work the best for folks. SWS, I love my original, but I'm ready to move forward with one of the angled ones....wattdya say???
Good to hear the original is working perfectly for you.
As for the new design I am not going to rush it out. I want to make sure my current customers and future customers get something that works.
Send an email to [email protected] and I will add you to the notification list.
Jyezahn
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I agree with the above. It seems that there is a lot of variance in the testing results, and we are still awaiting some results from different scenarios. I'm all for not rushing it. (Of course, that may be because I'm a tester!)
Majorlk
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I went back out to the range last week with the 90 degree deflectors. I covered the slots on the inside with a piece of duct tape to see if that had any effect upon the bounce back problem. It reduced them noticably, but did not eliminate them.
I also taped the inside of the 25 degree deflector and and it eliminated the occasional bounce back completely. This lends support to my theory that the rims are catching in the slots and throwing them back, rather than down. I have noticed that all deflectors for ARs, SKs and AKs are solid, not slotted.
Again, no problem with the 45 degree deflector at all.
I also taped the inside of the 25 degree deflector and and it eliminated the occasional bounce back completely. This lends support to my theory that the rims are catching in the slots and throwing them back, rather than down. I have noticed that all deflectors for ARs, SKs and AKs are solid, not slotted.
Again, no problem with the 45 degree deflector at all.
Freeway
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I plan on making a range visit this week. I will try the duct tape idea on the 25 and 45 deflectors. I also plan on moving each of them forward for an experiment as the slots are on the forward half. Maybe the slots are causing the bounce backs.
Still think that mine just has a 'unique' ejection pattern. The 45 has been the best, with the 25 coming in second place. After getting to the range, I will post my results here.
Jyezahn
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I wonder if more of a swooping curved angle instead of a hard angle might help. Like the underside of a hang-glider or the inside of a wave tube? Just throwing the idea out there.
Freeway
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Well... surprises do happen!
Went to the range this morning to try the deflectors again, and here are my results. I set both deflectors farther forward than before. This time, I lined up the solid part of each deflector with the opening in the receiver so that none of the slots were in the ejection path.
25 degree
CCI Tactical - 70 rounds NO bounce backs
Federal Champion 36g CPHP - 70 rounds NO bounce backs
45 degree
CCI Tactical - 90 rounds NO bounce backs
Federal Champion 36g CPHP - 70 rounds NO bounce backs
300 total rounds without a single bounce back! I did notice that not all of the shell casings went in the same direction, but most of them did.
Now for the bad news... my Kimber Rimfire Target is having issues loading rounds. It was perfect a few days ago, and is the first problem I've ever had. The rounds leave the magazine, but do not fully load. They stop about where the lead meets the shell case. Happens on every magazine.
Went to the range this morning to try the deflectors again, and here are my results. I set both deflectors farther forward than before. This time, I lined up the solid part of each deflector with the opening in the receiver so that none of the slots were in the ejection path.
25 degree
CCI Tactical - 70 rounds NO bounce backs
Federal Champion 36g CPHP - 70 rounds NO bounce backs
45 degree
CCI Tactical - 90 rounds NO bounce backs
Federal Champion 36g CPHP - 70 rounds NO bounce backs
300 total rounds without a single bounce back! I did notice that not all of the shell casings went in the same direction, but most of them did.
Now for the bad news... my Kimber Rimfire Target is having issues loading rounds. It was perfect a few days ago, and is the first problem I've ever had. The rounds leave the magazine, but do not fully load. They stop about where the lead meets the shell case. Happens on every magazine.
Majorlk
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This supports my contention that the slots are a part, if not the total, problem.
Freeway
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Tried sending a few more rounds down range today.
280 rounds - 2 bounce backs
Tried the following rounds...
Aguila Interceptor
Aguila Sniper Subsonic 60g
Aguila Super Maximum
CCI Tactical
Federal Champion 36g CPHP
Just used the 45 degree deflector, with it still mounted so that the slots do not cover the opening.
Almost 600 rounds with only 2 bounce backs. MUCH better than before!
280 rounds - 2 bounce backs
Tried the following rounds...
Aguila Interceptor
Aguila Sniper Subsonic 60g
Aguila Super Maximum
CCI Tactical
Federal Champion 36g CPHP
Just used the 45 degree deflector, with it still mounted so that the slots do not cover the opening.
Almost 600 rounds with only 2 bounce backs. MUCH better than before!
Mine has stayed perfect with the 45 degree. I've taken it off and back on the gun a couple of times and don't pay much attention to how the slots line up. With the 45 degree it works no matter how they line up. The 25 degree it a little more finicky.
Hopefully the 45* ones will be available soon, as I had quite a few stove pipes with the original design at the range. Funny thing with the two rifles I have, my wife's rifle had twice as many stove pipes as I did and we both used the same ammo. Each rifle probably has a slightly different ejection pattern.
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