Tactical Pistol class with 3rd Gens

[kaveman]

DAO,........problem solved.

I can honestly say that I wouldn't own a 3rd gen if it weren't for the DAO guns although I do have a few of the defective models with superfluous controls mounted to the slide. Why I have them I don't know. I'd never carry one.

 

[18DAI]

Or decock only - like the Beretta G models - "problem" solved. Although IMO it is not a problem, simply a training issue.

And the first thing to go out the window in tight budgetary times, is training. Hence the popularity of striker fired guns in LE.

Both my on and off duty 3rd gens were decock only. And in retirement my EDC 4513TSW is a decock only variant. Very fast into service out of an open top concealment holster. YMMV. Regards 18DAI

 

[petepeterson]

Holy cow guys. It's not like we're putting up flintlocks againts Glocks. They're not that much different!

It's still an automatic pistol.

 

[BruceB]

Holy cow guys. It's not like we're putting up flintlocks againts Glocks. They're not that much different!

It's still an automatic pistol.

But those Glop users try sooo hard to make the rest of us feel stoopid for running inferior equipment. Until it's time to score targets

 

[mtu164]

My Sargent got rid of his glock because it became unreliable. He now carries a H&K 45. I have seen several glocks jam in training. There are a lot of them there, so that might be the reason.
A joke around our department is you can spot a rookie because he is carrying a glock. It is the Model 10 of this century. They are good guns, but not necessarily the best ones. I will say this. Glock had far and away the best PR dept. When they came out with the 9 mm's years ago, they gave our sheriff and the head of our training unit new ones. Free stuff never hurts.

 

[goldenlight]

He further explained that my son and I would have have to engage/disengage the safety/decocker during the draw stroke.

I've been carrying a 6906 for over ten years. The safety stays OFF at ALL TIMES. I use it as a decocker ONLY. It has never engaged itself in my holsters. Never.

Your 'instructor' was woefully ignorant of DA/SA pistols, IMHO. Given that the M9/Beretta 92 series has the same manual of arms, I wonder if your 'instructor' has actually fired anything except a Glock. And a few other Tupperware striker fired pistols.

And I should mention that I own Glock Model 19. I've never CC it, and it hasn't been to the range in 10 or 15 years. My 6906 and 5906 go with me to the range and get shot EVERY time I go to the range.

I fell on hard times back in the 1990's, and I had to sell most of my firearms. I sold ALL my 3rd gen S&W's EXCEPT my 6906 and my 5906. I really miss the ones that I had to sell, but I'm so glad I kept the 6906 and 5906. They are two of the finest 9mm ever produced, IMHO.

And you know: you just NEVER hear about '3rd gen S&W kabooms'. nor instances of '3rd gen S&W leg', either. Glocks OWN those two phenomenon.

 

[grcoffman104]

I've been carrying a 6906 for over ten years. The safety stays OFF at ALL TIMES. I use it as a decocker ONLY. It has never engaged itself in my holsters. Never.

Your 'instructor' was woefully ignorant of DA/SA pistols, IMHO. Given that the M9/Beretta 92 series has the same manual of arms, I wonder if your 'instructor' has actually fired anything except a Glock. And a few other Tupperware striker fired pistols.

And I should mention that I own Glock Model 19. I've never CC it, and it hasn't been to the range in 10 or 15 years. My 6906 and 5906 go with me to the range and get shot EVERY time I go to the range.

I fell on hard times back in the 1990's, and I had to sell most of my firearms. I sold ALL my 3rd gen S&W's EXCEPT my 6906 and my 5906. I really miss the ones that I had to sell, but I'm so glad I kept the 6906 and 5906. They are two of the finest 9mm ever produced, IMHO.

And you know: you just NEVER hear about '3rd gen S&W kabooms'. nor instances of '3rd gen S&W leg', either. Glocks OWN those two phenomenon.

I second all your emotions. However I did hear of some CHP 40 cal kabooms in the late 80's. No conformation my agency carred same gat so we were intrested but got no info.

From the desk of Cpl. Coffman (Retired)

 

[snowman.45]

I carried the 645 and then the 4506 for uniformed duty for a number of years. I also had the 4516 as my off-duty/plain-clothes pistol. These were excellent, reliable pistols. Being the firearms instructor/range master, I got to shoot a lot of ammo through them. When the Glocks became the standard, I hated giving them up.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

Great stuff. I won't even comment on the instructor who doesn't know how to properly use a decocker. Y'all handled it.

I just want to note that it should come as no surprise to anyone when a 3rd gen S&W pistol beats a Glock, or any other newfangled pistol that doesn't happen to be as good a gun as a 3rd gen S&W.

Given shooters with equal skill sets I'd bet on the S&W against a Glock every time. As a matter of fact, I've taken several tactical classes and I was as good if not better with a 3rd Gen and a Browning HP than some of those combat Tupperware shooters.

GOOD CHOICE MY FRIEND!!!!

 

[Jaymo]

Sounds like the instructor was trying to stack the deck in favor of the Tuppercrap.

Why would anyone carry a DA auto with a slide mounted safety in the safe position?
Now, Something like a Taurus PT92 or a CZ75? I could see that, if you're used to 1911s. Their safeties are a lot easier to release on the draw.

But, this is about the almighty 3rd gen Smith.
I use my safeties as decockers only.
I've been thinking about taking my 5946 to a class.

I'm also thinking about having my other 3rd gens converted to decock only. I've never liked slide safeties. But, I like 3rd gen Smiths.

 

[Jaymo]

During the live fire drills, I did notice that we usually finished last or near the end. My hands are on the small size for a guy and my son's hands aren't much larger. We both had difficulty disengaging the safety/decocker and pressing the magazine release since our thumbs weren't quite long enough.

If you are right handed, and if you can get a left handed mag release, you can install it and use your trigger finger to hit the mag release. I'm a lefty and I don't even bother with LH mag releases, since I can hit the factory mag release with my trigger finger more easily than I can a LH release with my thumb.

Second, I'll be damned if I'd use the safety in that class.
Unless, of course, the "instructor" was going to make the Tupperware crowd start with an empty chamber.
Fair is fair, and stacking the deck in the favor of the Block crowd is cheating.

What's really sad is how many poor souls actually think Glocks have good trigger pulls.
The Ruger SR9 comes with a much better pull than the Glock, and my 5946 puts them both to shame.
Heck, my CZ82 puts them all to shame. Sweet little DA/SA trigger.