Taking firearms across state lines…

Gun laws change rapidly as they are under constant attack by the **********.
Resources such as Handgunlaw.us are very helpful but there is no guarantee they are capable of staying up to date.
 
Every now and then I consider not dragging myself to the annual LEOSA qual with my fellow geezers. Then I see a thread like this.

I remember when a prominent gun writer was lobbying hard for LEOSA with the idea it would lead to 50 state reciprocity for all CCW permit holders. It hasn’t happened in 20 years, but maybe the stars are briefly aligned.
 
Gun laws change rapidly as they are under constant attack by the **********.
Resources such as Handgunlaw.us are very helpful but there is no guarantee they are capable of staying up to date.

Laws do not change with no notice. They have to be approved by both the senate and house, except in Nebraska that has the only unicameral legislature. Once approved it goes to the governor for signature or veto. From proposal, amendments, of which there are often several, committee hearings, and floor debates, most laws, whether being amended or are new, take several months and up to the full term of the legislature, before even getting to the governor. If signed then there is usually a waiting period until the beginning of the next fiscal year, frequently July 1st, before the law goes into effect. There are cases where the change/new law is considered an emergency. In those cases the law could be specified to become effective without the customary waiting period, but those situations are not common.

As a result Gary Slider usually has several months to update information of his web site before the law changes are effective, and he does a very good job of doing this! He doesn't wait until the effective date, but continually watches activity of all state legislatures so he knows what is upcoming. Using the Internet this is easier than you would think!

These remarks are specific to handgunlaw.us, I cannot comment on any other sites! Your comments would be accurate if you were talking about books that have been published regarding handgun laws.
 
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Naively thinking you won't be pulled over by some cop profiling your out of state license plate even though you are in complete compliance can land you in trouble.

And believe me it happens. I live in PA and was going to an awards dinner in Maryland. When I got off the freeway there was a Maryland State Trooper following me up the off ramp. In my rear view mirror I could see him repeatedly looking down and to the right. I suspect he was running my plates for grins and giggles because I was from out of state. Luckily I didn't give him any excuse to pull me over.
 
I’ll start researching and would definitely benefit from getting any extra permits/safety classes and bit of paper saying I’ve passed any kind of firearms test for credibility and validation regardless.

You definitely want to do this if you can for any states you travel through a lot. I used to travel through VA a lot to visit my brother in NC. Even though I had a carry permit that VA supposedly honored, I got a VA non-resident carry permit so I wouldn't have to discuss the concept of reciprocity by the side of the road at night.
 
And believe me it happens. I live in PA and was going to an awards dinner in Maryland. When I got off the freeway there was a Maryland State Trooper following me up the off ramp. In my rear view mirror I could see him repeatedly looking down and to the right. I suspect he was running my plates for grins and giggles because I was from out of state. Luckily I didn't give him any excuse to pull me over.

He was just wondering where in Maryland Batman was headed to!:D:D:D
 
It is easy to create a site like Handgunlaw.us. It is a lot of work to keep such a site up to date.
Things I do every day to try and keep Handgunlaw.us up to date!

Look at a min of 18 Firearms News Sources more than once a day. My Browser marks every link I look Red so I know I have looked at that Link.

I have an add on that with one click it scans almost 600 websites and shows me what has been changed and when I visit that site it Highlights what has been changed. Those 600 sites get scanned once a day 7 days a week.

I also scan the 400+ laws with one click that are quoted on all the documents at Hanagunlaw.us but only scan them every 2 to 3 weeks and they show me if there has been a change in that law and what that change is.

Then I have a lot of people send me information on changes and I return an email to everyone that sends that info a Thank You even if I have seen that change. It is nice to have help.

I put information on the site that I want when I travel. I quote the laws or what the State Issuing Authority is putting out. If I put my words on the site it begins with Note: I also use Notice: as it is something Important I think people need to know. Other than those two instances everything else can be found on Official Websites of the different states or issuing authorities. I also put the link to every quoted law so people can look to the source document.

Don't trust what you see on the internet but go to the source. Then there is a little problem with that. Many of the states sites from the AG's/State Police etc. have disclaimers the same as Hangunlaw.us has. So Be Careful.
 
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In some ways, a gun is just a piece of personal property and crossing state lines is no big deal. In other ways, it may be highly regulated and when you cross state lines, the rules may change a LOT.

It makes me crazy to read some of the complacent opinions I saw above. I have LEOSA and a collection of state carry licenses, like FL and UT because they are broadly accepted. I have mentioned in other settings our RV project. I plan to carry smaller guns with smaller mags so I don't get sideways of the unconstitutional mag limit laws. Most cops (and lawyers) are ill-taught about a firearm as evidence in a shooting, so when I leave Washington I tend to carry lower value firearms that are easily replaced (Sig 239, M&P Shield, the like). Because so many states have silly laws about ARs. my new Marlin .357 will be the primary long gun, but it will have an RDS, big flashlight and a sling, all set up as much like an AR as possible. Far less likely to become a political prisoner that way.

If you are not sure of the legality of what you are doing, research it, and print it. That means the statutes, not a summary by someone else. If you have a firearm in the car, keep your nose clean about getting stopped. Sorry to say that the response above about an MC endorsement is on the far side of irresponsible. Take a few hours and get legal. If you are not properly endorsed as required by your home state, no cop in his right mind will let you drive away. They should impound/tow/arrest, and that will lead to a search. You will have an awful time winning a suppression hearing and if you do, that will still be an arrest and a big expense. If you know certain states and cities are stupid places to be, don't go there. Have your family gathering in PA, not NJ or MD for example.

If stopped carrying and lawful, comply with state law about notice, but don't use dumb language (not: "I have a gun"; the better way to express it is "I am lawfully armed ..."). Depending on where you are, the cop may say s/he does not care as long as you don't go for it. Other places, they may take it and unload it, and be a real pain. First answer: don't do stupid stuff and get stopped. 5, maybe 10 over is ok. More than that, you are taking a bad chance. What may be tolerated in state A might not be in state B.

NEVER consent to a search. If they get a warrant, you are going to have to comply. If they don't, they lose. You have nothing to lose if they ask why you are not cooperating and say "I don't have time for a real search". A well done search as if they are looking for drug couriers could easily take several hours for the search and then reassembly of your stuff. Have a good idea if you are taking a road that has a lot of drug smugglers (I55, 57, 65, 95 for example.) Don't tempt fate. Years ago I went to a Pat Rogers class in SC. Washington plates on I95 will get a lot of curiosity, and cops are supposed to be curious. This was especially true since they were actually running an interdiction class. I was followed and really expected to get stopped. As a man on the path to old and broken, I had a lot of prescribed stuff. In some states you do need a 'script for syringes; your state law will not be a defense. I had a bunch of gear in my trunk, too. Mack (rottie) was in the back seat, and I had "work dog/stay back" stickers in my tinted back windows. Most real cops like dogs better than people, so they understood the car being locked up and running.

Don't like my position? Fine. Remember I do this stuff for a living. Do not come crying to us if you screw this up.
 
Great thread.
Gary, I learned a lot about your efforts today. Thank you.
 
There are so many laws across the US that you will almost certainly be breaking some laws while traveling through the various states. As far as within arms reach, you can get in big trouble in Illinois. Michigan has similar laws and without a concealed carry permit, your pistols and revolvers must be locked in a place you cannot easily get to them plus no ammo with the gun.

If a non-resident is coming to Illinois to hunt
and would like to bring their firearm, how
do they legally transport it?

Non-residents must comply with the gun case law as
described above. Additionally, the firearm must not
be immediately accessible


My opinion is do not do what stupid criminals do and that includes having burned out lights, speeding, violating any traffic laws. If law enforcement does not see you doing anything wrong, you will not get stopped in the first place.[/QUOTE]

Generally, this is true. However, if you're driving a silver SUV and a hold-up has just occurred, and the bad guy is fleeing in a silver SUV, you may get stopped.

Hopefully, everyone on this Forum has the common sense to keep their hands on the steering wheel and to talk politely to the officer that stopped you. Once you have been eliminated as the bad guy, you go on your way.
 
My Carry License is honored in 32 other states.

I know: don't need a carry license any longer here, BUT!
 
My CCWs are good for 37 states, including NY. Even with a NY permit I worry carrying in NY.

Avoid anti-gun states and follow FOPA.
 
To be sure you need to read the code in the states you will be traveling through.
Bubba's Online Opinion® can cost you your freedom.
Naively thinking you won't be pulled over by some cop profiling your out of state license plate even though you are in complete compliance can land you in trouble. Lies commonly used to pull over vehicles are following too close or over the line. Then it escalates to smelling marijuana or alcohol and they have their excuse to search the vehicle. Usually, they are looking for drug mules, some are chasing awards for the most busts. Even if you can beat the charges, you can be out $xx,xxx and your time.
Some states are at war with gun owners and some cops are dirty.
I am not a cop hater, this is not the majority but a reality, nevertheless.

Some State law enforcement departments (e.g., Maryland, and others) sit by the highway with license plate readers that will almost instantly tell them if you have a carry permit from out of state, and if you do they will pull you over and harass you and search your car and cause all kinds of unpleasantness.
 
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Some State law enforcement departments (e.g., Maryland, and others) sit by the highway with license plate readers that will almost instantly tell them if you have a carry permit from out of state, and they will pull you over and harass you and search your car and cause all kinds of unpleasantness.

Please cite any references to this occurring, especially in MD.
I'm licensed in MD, PA and UT and the State Police have emphatically stated they do NOT have the capability to see who does/does not have a permit to carry, especially anyone from out of state.
 
And believe me it happens. I live in PA and was going to an awards dinner in Maryland. When I got off the freeway there was a Maryland State Trooper following me up the off ramp. In my rear view mirror I could see him repeatedly looking down and to the right. I suspect he was running my plates for grins and giggles because I was from out of state. Luckily I didn't give him any excuse to pull me over.

A little sliver of I81 in MD going from my house to PA each summer cause me to leave all guns home.
 
And believe me it happens. I live in PA and was going to an awards dinner in Maryland. When I got off the freeway there was a Maryland State Trooper following me up the off ramp. In my rear view mirror I could see him repeatedly looking down and to the right. I suspect he was running my plates for grins and giggles because I was from out of state. Luckily I didn't give him any excuse to pull me over.

A friend of the family that was a state trooper told me, they could always find a legal reason to pull you over.
 
I've driven over many state lines over the years. I keep an app on my phone, "Legal Heat". It lists the laws in every state. Their recommendation is to KNOW the laws of the state you are entering, OR, Place the firearm, unloaded, in the trunk or back cargo space not accessible to the driver of the auto.



Unless it is a state like NY, then just don't go there.
 
Please cite any references to this occurring, especially in MD.
I'm licensed in MD, PA and UT and the State Police have emphatically stated they do NOT have the capability to see who does/does not have a permit to carry, especially anyone from out of state.
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There was a string here a couple years ago in which a news story was quoted where this happened. The ability to see records associated with a person will vary by state. MD may not have the ability to see such in their system directly, but when they run an out of state plate, if that other state's system pulls the records associated with that person, they might well see it. Some of that depends on how sophisticated the in state system is and how well the dispatcher or office knows how to run checks. Just in the last few years, WA has come into the 80s and started associating DL#s with registered owner info so that it comes up when you run a plate.
 
A few years back The Virginia Citizens Defense tried to get their state legislature to pass a law to keep Virginia From Sharing their permit information with Maryland. States can sign up to share that info with Police Departments to find out if a permit is valid or not when out of state. I am not sure what info the asking PD would type into the system and it could be just the permit # but I don't trust government to do anything right!

Go Here Nlets Resource Maps | Nlets

and click on Concealed Weapons Query (CWQ) and then click on the map that opens and it shows you what states and government agencies that can check on your permit etc.
 
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Please cite any references to this occurring, especially in MD.
I'm licensed in MD, PA and UT and the State Police have emphatically stated they do NOT have the capability to see who does/does not have a permit to carry, especially anyone from out of state.

I don’t think Maryland is known for following Constitutional guidelines. It’s kind of a crapshoot. Like other less free states, some municipalities and counties do pretty much as they please when it comes to making life difficult for gun owners.
As for my references, I have worked with two or three former recent Maryland residents that were gun owners and they pretty much all said the same thing as mentioned above.
 
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