Hi from coastal North Carolina.There is a gun show in Raleigh this coming weekend and I`m looking hard at the M&P 45 compact.I have been carrying a Glock 36 concealed for about two years but I figure an extra couple of rounds would be nice.I`ve heard many good things said about the M&P 45 and it will probably be my next handgun.What,in your opinion, would be a fair price to look for? Are there any problems with this model that I should be on the lookout for?I`ve read quite a bit about the Glock 30SF having a FTRTB problem so I have ruled that one out as an option but I haven`t read any real negative things about the M&P.Thank you for your helpful input.
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Bicky Robby
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More rounds are always better. That said, you won't find a better shooting 45 than the 36, my subjective opinion. MY limitied experience with the M&P 45c, is enough to convince me it is a good shooter and it does have a larger capacity. It will be more bulky to carry than the 36 though. Both are quality firearms.
Rangel
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>>More rounds are always better.<<
Agreed. One of the things I like about my Glocks is that you can buy VERY extended capacity magazines. I have six, Glock issued 33 round magazines for my old police mainstay, the Glock 17 (9mm). It's great out on the range, not having to worry about reloading too much, with close to 200 rounds quickly available. They make some nice extended magazines for their 40mm model, including the subcompact 27, as well as for other models.
If you for some reason do decide to stay with Glock, I suggest you go with a generation three model and avoid the gen. 4's. Ask around, actually shoot one and read up enough and you'll know why.
I hope to see similar extra large capacity magazine issued with the M&P line--I haven't done a thorough search, but I don't recall any thing beyond 22 caliber that holds 20+ rounds or more--I'd rather be shooting than reloading!!
>>More rounds are always better.<<
Agreed. One of the things I like about my Glocks is that you can buy VERY extended capacity magazines. I have six, Glock issued 33 round magazines for my old police mainstay, the Glock 17 (9mm). It's great out on the range, not having to worry about reloading too much, with close to 200 rounds quickly available. They make some nice extended magazines for their 40mm model, including the subcompact 27, as well as for other models.
If you for some reason do decide to stay with Glock, I suggest you go with a generation three model and avoid the gen. 4's. Ask around, actually shoot one and read up enough and you'll know why.
I hope to see similar extra large capacity magazine issued with the M&P line--I haven't done a thorough search, but I don't recall any thing beyond 22 caliber that holds 20+ rounds or more--I'd rather be shooting than reloading!!
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Rangel,
as the owner of two Glock Gen4 pistols, I have to disagree with your assessment of the Gen4 line. While a large number of folks have experienced issues, the majority of them just want the problem to disappear mysteriously on their own. When I first got my G19 Gen4, I too had numerous FTE's. After investing 15 min of research, I was able to determine that the recoil spring was the culprit. Glock initially distributed the Gen4 G19 with the same spring on the .40 guns. After racking the slide a few hundred times and leaving the action open for a week, poof, all issues disappeared. In addition, Glock has a weaker spring available for free to anyone. I have gone several thousand rounds now in my G19, and my new Gen4 G26 with no issues at all. I would stack any of my glocks, G19,26 or G23 against anything. Although my brand spanking new M&P 9C will give my G26 a run for its money!
as the owner of two Glock Gen4 pistols, I have to disagree with your assessment of the Gen4 line. While a large number of folks have experienced issues, the majority of them just want the problem to disappear mysteriously on their own. When I first got my G19 Gen4, I too had numerous FTE's. After investing 15 min of research, I was able to determine that the recoil spring was the culprit. Glock initially distributed the Gen4 G19 with the same spring on the .40 guns. After racking the slide a few hundred times and leaving the action open for a week, poof, all issues disappeared. In addition, Glock has a weaker spring available for free to anyone. I have gone several thousand rounds now in my G19, and my new Gen4 G26 with no issues at all. I would stack any of my glocks, G19,26 or G23 against anything. Although my brand spanking new M&P 9C will give my G26 a run for its money!
Just a Thought on prices
My dealer can usually get guns for about what Bud's posts for
new prices. They're listing the M&P 45c at $531, which seems
pretty good for a brand new 45.
TACC1
My dealer can usually get guns for about what Bud's posts for
new prices. They're listing the M&P 45c at $531, which seems
pretty good for a brand new 45.
TACC1
Rangel
Member
Not sure if jetguns.com has a 45c in stock, but I have called them before to pleasantly find out that they do have a gun I'm looking for, but they just haven't updated their website or they otherwise wait for customers to call. And they will 'dicker' a bit on price sometimes. Very nice people. If you find a gun you're 'sweet on' it wouldn't hurt to call em.
Right now, I see a few 40's, starting at $435 for a 15 rounder, $438 for a 40 w/ a 4.25' barrel and ambidex, manual safeties, also 15 rounds, on up to a 40 M&P pro, w/ 4.5 ' barrel and night sights. No tax, as usual for 49 of 50 states.
The nicest deal, I think (right now), with their typical free shipping and two magazines on this deal, is this repost:
For a new gun it's a pretty slick deal, IMO.
(repost)
If you really want an M&P in 9mm (WITH night sights) and are into having a threaded barrel on it, this is a pretty good deal from jetguns.com
I verified this price, but I didn't go to purchase (I don't need another 9mm or a threaded barrel)--typically jetguns doesn't charge tax or S&H: (as in this case)
it's tempting for me to pick one up all the same--I'd like to know exactly what night sights come on it--having a gunsmith add decent night sights on after purchase can run $100+ extra alone. I think I'll call them in the morning to find out. I think an additional threaded barrel is over $100, but I'm not sure. take away these add ons and you're paying about $270 for the already very nice, 'base model' M&P full size w/o the 3% or more increase in $$ if you use a credit card. IMO, quite a deal and close to or below wholesale and not just for L.E. either:
>>S&W M&P 5" 9MM w/threaded barrel $473+SH
Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm with a threaded barrel and night sights from Jet Guns.com
S&W M&P 9mm 5in Threaded Barrel NMS NO IL NS -- for Sale at JetGuns $473.00
If you're serious, I'd move fairly quickly. While these guys almost always beat Buds on price, they don't typically have a lot of volume. Unlike this one, on some guns they may carry a particular model at great prices, but they may not even list it on-line--you have to call. They are reputable and unlike some companies, they don't charge a 3% 'uptick' for credit card payment.
Hope this helps someone one way or another! I'm curious if any of you folks out there have bit on this deal?<<<
I have been hemming and hawwing, trying to rationalize myself into buying one, but I keep telling myself "I don't need another big gun--I don't need another big gun..."
Right now, I see a few 40's, starting at $435 for a 15 rounder, $438 for a 40 w/ a 4.25' barrel and ambidex, manual safeties, also 15 rounds, on up to a 40 M&P pro, w/ 4.5 ' barrel and night sights. No tax, as usual for 49 of 50 states.
The nicest deal, I think (right now), with their typical free shipping and two magazines on this deal, is this repost:
For a new gun it's a pretty slick deal, IMO.
(repost)
If you really want an M&P in 9mm (WITH night sights) and are into having a threaded barrel on it, this is a pretty good deal from jetguns.com
I verified this price, but I didn't go to purchase (I don't need another 9mm or a threaded barrel)--typically jetguns doesn't charge tax or S&H: (as in this case)
it's tempting for me to pick one up all the same--I'd like to know exactly what night sights come on it--having a gunsmith add decent night sights on after purchase can run $100+ extra alone. I think I'll call them in the morning to find out. I think an additional threaded barrel is over $100, but I'm not sure. take away these add ons and you're paying about $270 for the already very nice, 'base model' M&P full size w/o the 3% or more increase in $$ if you use a credit card. IMO, quite a deal and close to or below wholesale and not just for L.E. either:
>>S&W M&P 5" 9MM w/threaded barrel $473+SH
Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm with a threaded barrel and night sights from Jet Guns.com
S&W M&P 9mm 5in Threaded Barrel NMS NO IL NS -- for Sale at JetGuns $473.00
If you're serious, I'd move fairly quickly. While these guys almost always beat Buds on price, they don't typically have a lot of volume. Unlike this one, on some guns they may carry a particular model at great prices, but they may not even list it on-line--you have to call. They are reputable and unlike some companies, they don't charge a 3% 'uptick' for credit card payment.
Hope this helps someone one way or another! I'm curious if any of you folks out there have bit on this deal?<<<
I have been hemming and hawwing, trying to rationalize myself into buying one, but I keep telling myself "I don't need another big gun--I don't need another big gun..."
Rangel
Member
Ashecht:
I respect your opinion on the gen 4 Glocks and am glad you've got the 'fix' down on yours and all, but I just dunno about buying a gun that you have to tweak or fix a bit to resolve FTE and recoil issues. Yea, it's nice that Glock will give you a new, different spring if you want, for free--that's the kind of service I expect and certainly get from S&W for their not unheard of 'little issues', (it's not a Taurus, eh?) but if my life were on the line, for me knowing my last line of defense wasn't pretty much near perfect right out of the box, thinking my 'fix' made it failsafe--that might have a psychological, sort of voodoo effect, on me mind.
Not that I'm naive--heck, I'm not even superstitious--because I KNOW that's bad LUCK--haha!!
I just have always had a high opinion of Glock (and still do) and even have an almost new, dandy nickel boron coated 27 (3rd gen) in my pocket right now, but along with some friends who know a lot more about Glocks and other fine guns than I, I'm surprised that the gen. 4's didn't, aside from the backstrap change, offer some real significant improvements in a number of people's eyes.
That said, to each their own and I'm sure that a Glock 4th gen is still a better gun than most other manufacturer's!
I respect your opinion on the gen 4 Glocks and am glad you've got the 'fix' down on yours and all, but I just dunno about buying a gun that you have to tweak or fix a bit to resolve FTE and recoil issues. Yea, it's nice that Glock will give you a new, different spring if you want, for free--that's the kind of service I expect and certainly get from S&W for their not unheard of 'little issues', (it's not a Taurus, eh?) but if my life were on the line, for me knowing my last line of defense wasn't pretty much near perfect right out of the box, thinking my 'fix' made it failsafe--that might have a psychological, sort of voodoo effect, on me mind.
Not that I'm naive--heck, I'm not even superstitious--because I KNOW that's bad LUCK--haha!!
I just have always had a high opinion of Glock (and still do) and even have an almost new, dandy nickel boron coated 27 (3rd gen) in my pocket right now, but along with some friends who know a lot more about Glocks and other fine guns than I, I'm surprised that the gen. 4's didn't, aside from the backstrap change, offer some real significant improvements in a number of people's eyes.
That said, to each their own and I'm sure that a Glock 4th gen is still a better gun than most other manufacturer's!
Hey Rangel,You're missing out if you don't at least shoot a gen 4.I have the 17 and 26 and love them,much better grip(for me)which is the only issue I had with Glocks.I've not had 1 problem with either of mine.I got the 26 and liked it alot.Very accurate,dependable.So I went and got the 17,same deal.By the way they didn't change the spring on the 26.
Rangel
Member
Ashecht:
You have a point there. I shouldn't slag the Gen 4's unless I've actually spent some range time shooting them. That said, next time I'm at the range, I'll shoot some Gen 4's along side my Gen 3's. Reading my own post, I can see how some might say 'case of sour grapes there'--but honestly, I could've paid less for a new Gen 4 than I did for my most recent new Glock Gen 3, especially with it's customization .The driving force behind what I wrote about the Gen 4 Glocks was based mainly on my gunsmith's feedback--he's has an amazing reputation, from many 1000's of hours, working on and customizing Glocks, shooting them in competitions etc. Some guys (not all) at the shop/range I frequent, feel the same way.
I try not to buy a new generation or new pistol until its been out a while. For instance, I almost bought a Keltec PMR-30, which shoots the wicked 22 magnum, but they had to stop making it due to 'issues'.
Realizing this is a S&W forum I want to reiterate that this guy recently switched from only shooting Glocks in competition, to using the S&W M&P in 9mm, which made me think "Whoa!"--This guy can have em ALL--HK, FNH, Sigs, Kimber, Les Bauer, etc--and knowing excellence, he chooses an M&P now.
But he advised me that with Glocks, to stick with the Gen 3's--at least for now. I do like the adjustable grips on the Gen 4--the Gen 3 grips fit fine in my fairly large hands, yet my 5 ft tall, 90 pound wife can handle them well also. But the interchangeable backstrap feature on the Gen 4's adds to resale appeal down the road, especially as more gun makers add that feature and buyers increasingly expect it.
I'm glad you're happy with your Gen 4 Glocks--that Model 26 really hits the sweet spot in terms of size, weight and magazine capacity. Some folks knock the 9mm as not being an effective home defense round, but with ammo like Hornady's Critical Defense 9mm, I don't think you'll have any problems--God forbid a bad guy breaks in, HE will definitely have some! I carry that line of ammo in my 'mouse gun'--a S&W Bodyguard 380--the ballistic studies on that ammo are impressive.
You're probably aware that they also sell extra high capacity, 33 round Glock manufacture magazines for your Glock 26 for $44.95. You might find a better price if you shop around, not really sure. Beats reloading three standard magazines at the range! I'm probably going to pick up some extended, extra high capacity magazines for my Glock 27 (40mm) which is the same height and weight as the 26. I may order from Lone Wolf, one of their silver or black, match grade conversion barrels ($109, $114 or $139), which will enable a Glock 27 to go from shooting 40 to 9mm.
Some great things about the S&W M&Ps and most Glocks is that they'll probably be shooting well 50+ years from now. Can't say that for a High Point, can you?
As for the statement earlier in his thread:
>>While a large number of folks have experienced issues, the majority of them just want the problem to disappear mysteriously on their own. When I first got my G19 Gen4, I too had numerous FTE's. After investing 15 min of research, I was able to determine that the recoil spring was the culprit<<
I don't remember the Gen 3s having a situation like this. I'm surprised that it's happening with a Glock pistol and I expect that the lighter springs they're sending out free on request will soon become factory standard issue. Fortunately, most Glocks and M&Ps are 'over built' so if there's a little more shock on the gun from moving to a lighter spring (you can go all the way down to a S&W 13 pound spring) the guns should be able to take it, I think.
That said, I think a lot of people buy Glocks (and M&P's) because they are perfectly ready to shoot out of the box, almost indestructible, require less maintainance than most pistols and typically don't require customers to modify them with aditional Glock or S&W equipment, to mitigate any possible 'issues' and optimize expected factory issue level performance.
Sounds like you and Walk Soft are more of 'hands on' kind guys than me and don't mind fixing this or tweaking that--but with guns, that's not my style--if I'm going to do that, I have my smithy or the manufacturer handle it. I don't want problems to disappear, I just don't want to have to deal with them in a new purchase, period.
You have a point there. I shouldn't slag the Gen 4's unless I've actually spent some range time shooting them. That said, next time I'm at the range, I'll shoot some Gen 4's along side my Gen 3's. Reading my own post, I can see how some might say 'case of sour grapes there'--but honestly, I could've paid less for a new Gen 4 than I did for my most recent new Glock Gen 3, especially with it's customization .The driving force behind what I wrote about the Gen 4 Glocks was based mainly on my gunsmith's feedback--he's has an amazing reputation, from many 1000's of hours, working on and customizing Glocks, shooting them in competitions etc. Some guys (not all) at the shop/range I frequent, feel the same way.
I try not to buy a new generation or new pistol until its been out a while. For instance, I almost bought a Keltec PMR-30, which shoots the wicked 22 magnum, but they had to stop making it due to 'issues'.
Realizing this is a S&W forum I want to reiterate that this guy recently switched from only shooting Glocks in competition, to using the S&W M&P in 9mm, which made me think "Whoa!"--This guy can have em ALL--HK, FNH, Sigs, Kimber, Les Bauer, etc--and knowing excellence, he chooses an M&P now.
But he advised me that with Glocks, to stick with the Gen 3's--at least for now. I do like the adjustable grips on the Gen 4--the Gen 3 grips fit fine in my fairly large hands, yet my 5 ft tall, 90 pound wife can handle them well also. But the interchangeable backstrap feature on the Gen 4's adds to resale appeal down the road, especially as more gun makers add that feature and buyers increasingly expect it.
I'm glad you're happy with your Gen 4 Glocks--that Model 26 really hits the sweet spot in terms of size, weight and magazine capacity. Some folks knock the 9mm as not being an effective home defense round, but with ammo like Hornady's Critical Defense 9mm, I don't think you'll have any problems--God forbid a bad guy breaks in, HE will definitely have some! I carry that line of ammo in my 'mouse gun'--a S&W Bodyguard 380--the ballistic studies on that ammo are impressive.
You're probably aware that they also sell extra high capacity, 33 round Glock manufacture magazines for your Glock 26 for $44.95. You might find a better price if you shop around, not really sure. Beats reloading three standard magazines at the range! I'm probably going to pick up some extended, extra high capacity magazines for my Glock 27 (40mm) which is the same height and weight as the 26. I may order from Lone Wolf, one of their silver or black, match grade conversion barrels ($109, $114 or $139), which will enable a Glock 27 to go from shooting 40 to 9mm.
Some great things about the S&W M&Ps and most Glocks is that they'll probably be shooting well 50+ years from now. Can't say that for a High Point, can you?
As for the statement earlier in his thread:
>>While a large number of folks have experienced issues, the majority of them just want the problem to disappear mysteriously on their own. When I first got my G19 Gen4, I too had numerous FTE's. After investing 15 min of research, I was able to determine that the recoil spring was the culprit<<
I don't remember the Gen 3s having a situation like this. I'm surprised that it's happening with a Glock pistol and I expect that the lighter springs they're sending out free on request will soon become factory standard issue. Fortunately, most Glocks and M&Ps are 'over built' so if there's a little more shock on the gun from moving to a lighter spring (you can go all the way down to a S&W 13 pound spring) the guns should be able to take it, I think.
That said, I think a lot of people buy Glocks (and M&P's) because they are perfectly ready to shoot out of the box, almost indestructible, require less maintainance than most pistols and typically don't require customers to modify them with aditional Glock or S&W equipment, to mitigate any possible 'issues' and optimize expected factory issue level performance.
Sounds like you and Walk Soft are more of 'hands on' kind guys than me and don't mind fixing this or tweaking that--but with guns, that's not my style--if I'm going to do that, I have my smithy or the manufacturer handle it. I don't want problems to disappear, I just don't want to have to deal with them in a new purchase, period.
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Rangel
Member
Walk Soft:
Sorry I addressed my above post to Ashecht--I should've addressed it to you and the good point you made--or to both of you. A good bit of it was intended to reply to your last post.
Thanks,
Rangel
Sorry I addressed my above post to Ashecht--I should've addressed it to you and the good point you made--or to both of you. A good bit of it was intended to reply to your last post.
Thanks,
Rangel
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Dragon88
Member
M&Ps and Glocks are both good. Personally I go with Glock due to simplicity of design, low cost of parts, and because of how easy it is to work on them yourself.
As for the Raleigh gun show, last few times I've gone I've been very disappointed. However, if you are going today, look for the Ed's Gun Shop booth. He has the best prices you will find and is a great guy to do business with. Or visit his shop just down US 1 in Vass, NC.
As for the Raleigh gun show, last few times I've gone I've been very disappointed. However, if you are going today, look for the Ed's Gun Shop booth. He has the best prices you will find and is a great guy to do business with. Or visit his shop just down US 1 in Vass, NC.
I agree. I have 2 Glocks & 2 S&W's. If you made me pick a favorite, I don't think I could. The Glock 21sf vs. Glock 27 vs. M&P 40 Pro (5" barrel) all are equally good. I need more guns from both manufacturers.
